Should prayer be allowed at school sports events??

[I am a huge CUNT]

freak93 said:

You suggested you are an outcast if you don't join. Aren't you looking at him different now? He doesn't want to be in the team prayer. To me, it seems like you are suggesting with the post of 'shut your mouth and do what the rest of us do' they should just join in the group to make it easier on the majority.

You don't want to be in the team prayer fine. No one cares. But by stepping out of the prayer, he may or may not feel like an outcast. It's his problem. Not the rest of us because we did not make the choice. He did.

What about your jock issue? Should jocks change who they are as people to please you?

[Freak93]

msuspartan2 said:

freak93 said:

You suggested you are an outcast if you don't join. Aren't you looking at him different now? He doesn't want to be in the team prayer. To me, it seems like you are suggesting with the post of 'shut your mouth and do what the rest of us do' they should just join in the group to make it easier on the majority.

You don't want to be in the team prayer fine. No one cares. But by stepping out of the prayer, he may or may not feel like an outcast. It's his problem. Not the rest of us because we did not make the choice. He did.

Again, your statement of 'shut your mouth and do what the rest of us do' really makes me question if you don't care about it.

[I am a huge CUNT]

I care about the issue, not because the kid left. The kid left the prayer. I don't care.

What I do care about is the fact that he went and complained and now we cannot perform our traditions at the beginning of the game.

But again, how is this different from your views of jocks?

[Freak93]

Honestly, it isn't very different from jocks. In both cases, I think both people get a lot of slack because they are in the majority. A majority of people like God, a majority like sports. I think religious people should not look on those who don't care for religion as outcast as jocks shouldn't think of themselves as almighty beings.

[I am a huge CUNT]

freak93 said:

Honestly, it isn't very different from jocks. In both cases, I think both people get a lot of slack because they are in the majority. A majority of people like God, a majority like sports. I think religious people should not look on those who don't care for religion as outcast as jocks shouldn't think of themselves as almighty beings.

But should you view jocks in the way you do? Isn't that looking down on them because it is something that you don't like?

[I am a huge CUNT]

Looks like I'm not going to get an answer on this one.

[Freak93]

msuspartan2 said:

Looks like I'm not going to get an answer on this one.

You're not. There is a whole different thread regarding that. As DB has done to me so very many times in our debates, changing from the original subject only shows defeat. I wasn't attempting to make this a win/lose type of thing, just one to explore the issue. You on the other hand want to win or lose (or at least that is what I feel was implied). We are both set in our views, sharing our opinions. I just felt debate would be an interesting way to explore the issue. It is fun to attempt to prove the other person wrong on the original issue, however, venturing away from the original issue just becomes pointless and causes useless problems.

[detroitbasketball]

freak93 said:

As DB has done to me so very many times in our debates, changing from the original subject only shows defeat.

[Freak93]

detroitbasketball said:

freak93 said:

As DB has done to me so very many times in our debates, changing from the original subject only shows defeat.

Pretty much the whole time around the separation of Terrell Owens and the Eagles you had me. It was a dark time for me, very dark.

[I am a huge CUNT]

But it's the same type of issue Freak. I'm not changing the subject. I'm tying one into another basically by the same thing you keep telling me.

You think my teammates and I look down on this kid because he doesn't participate, and you ask why should we make him feel left out and have to change him for something we want?

It's the same thing with you. Why should you look down upon jocks because you don't think what they do is right? Should they change for you?

It's hypocritical. You not answering my question could also be an indication of defeat.

[Freak93]

Again, see the other thread for the jock discussion.

The thing is though, when you make a statement like "Shut your mouth and do what the rest of us our doing", how can one not think you are looking at him differently?

Also, it was never a thing about defeat. You are the one sitting here trying to prove you have won in this debate. I never thought of it as a win/lose thing. If that is the case, you win then.

[cooljayhu]

I think my team handles the whole pray issue quite well. Right before we go out we hold hands with the guy next to you and have "quiet time". We just sit in silence for 10 seconds and what you do in that time is your business. If you pray then you pary if just want to use the time to focus then do that. It would solve alot of issues cause then the people who dont pray aren't forced into it but they aren't left out entirely.

[McGahee]

cooljay wins. i shouldn't have to put up with jesus babble if i don't want to. you know prayers, just say them in your head, but don't drown your religious beliefs on me if I don't want to deal with them. This country has religious freedom, meaning I can handle anything god-related on my own and so can you. You can go ahead and do it with a group of people, but don't make a kid face an awkward situation over religion. if you have a problem with that, you're living in the wrong country

[cooljayhu]

democracy and free speech and freedom of religion and all that nonsense are there to protect the rights of the minority not the majority

[I am a huge CUNT]

Who says we all pray to God?

[cooljayhu]

who do you pray to then? Are you buddhist? Or a sikh maybe? Seriously dude come on.

[I am a huge CUNT]

I am not a strong religious person. I haven't stepped into a church in 7 years.

I ask for guidance. It makes me feel good with my team. I feel it brings me together with them, kind of a "I got your back and you got mine."

I honestly don't know if I believe in God. Choose the time to listen to the prayer or not. No one said you have to listen to what our coaches say. I really don't listen to what they say. I just close my eyes and think about the task in front of me, whoever I'm playing that night.

[cooljayhu]

yeah but your Coach leads the prayer right? Does he say something like "god gives us strength" or "lord gives us guidance"? I am sure he probably doesn't say "Somebody bless this team cause not all of us believe in God". It's very ignorant to force someone to listen to someone preach basically when they dont believe in what is being said.

[I am a huge CUNT]

cooljayhu said:

It's very ignorant to force someone to listen to someone preach basically when they dont believe in what is being said.

You make a good point. I don't want to make him listen if he doesn't want to.

But when he goes and tells the school board he feels "isolated", he's going to feel more isolated after me and my teammates find out he made us stop a tradition, a time before every game that is very important to us.

[cooljayhu]

msuspartan2 said:

cooljayhu said:

It's very ignorant to force someone to listen to someone preach basically when they dont believe in what is being said.

You make a good point. I don't want to make him listen if he doesn't want to.

But when he goes and tells the school board he feels "isolated", he's going to feel more isolated after me and my teammates find out he made us stop a tradition, a time before every game that is very important to us.

see there you go again forcing someone to be an outcast because they dont agree with something that you seem to "love". Regardless of whether the guy is listening he is still forced to be there and is in essence buy into the religious bullshit that some people shove down your throat. It isn't fair to say don't listen and stand in the corner when we pray but we dont want you to feel "isolated". You can't have it both ways, if doesn't want to participate you can just shun him aside or tell him to sit down and shut up because then you're just being an ignorant prick.