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Post by IXI B@CkSt0P IXI on Jan 29, 2008 13:28:34 GMT -5
Ok guys i'm going to just come right out and say i'm not good with politics at all. I mean it keeps me interested now days and i'm starting to watch more and more stuff about it.
My question/thought is that I recently just heard that Obama does not where the American flag pin like every other candidate and that he also refuses to salute the flag. Now I may be blowing this way overboard because he could just see them as silly traditions and put himself in a more professional state of mind. But the way I look at it is why would we elect a man to be president of our country if he can't even respect our traditions.
I have had a funny feeling about the Obama thing since I first heard about it, and I just feel as if bad things will come from him being president. I mean I am truly scared of what might happen if he becomes president. As much as I hate Hilary Clinton, I would rather her win than him. Although I truly want McClain or Edwards in the office which doesn't seem likely to happen at all.
Anyways, just wanted to gather some thoughts to maybe calm myself down.
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Post by Maize on Jan 29, 2008 13:44:35 GMT -5
Obama doesn't wear an American flag because he doesn't want to cheapen American values by simply wearing a flag. While the national anthem is playing, he doesn't always salute the national flag. In funeral processions, memorial services, and events honoring veterans - he has indeed saluted the flag.
Your question is probably coming after he didn't put his hand over his heart, or salute the flag, during the national anthem at Tom Harkin's annual "meet and greet." It is the only documented time that he has not honored the flag in anyway.
He is a christian man, who has found a way, unlike the entire republican party, to seperate his religious beliefs from his work as a public servent. He isn't Muslim, anti-religion, or anti-patriotic. He was never a part of flag burning protests, or failed to say "under god" during the pledge of allegiance. I understand your concern, but there are bigger fish to fry in the upcoming election....
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Post by IXI B@CkSt0P IXI on Jan 29, 2008 13:48:32 GMT -5
Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. That means so much to me now that I wouldn't mind seeing his as our president. I really, really, really liked his comments in the Democratic debate. That was the only thing I was worried about. Thanks for the nice comments and for not jumping on my ass for assuming.
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Post by Freak93 on Jan 29, 2008 13:53:24 GMT -5
I really think it is a non-issue. How many people across the nation salute the flag during the 'Pledge of Allegiance' yet have no idea why they are reciting that speech? When someone salutes the flag, I think it is more of just going through the motions.
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Post by Maize on Jan 29, 2008 13:55:17 GMT -5
Ofcourse. I am really been behind Obama's campaign since he announced his intention over the summer. There a lot of interesting rumors about the guy, and he has handled all of the accusations well.
I think he is finally showing his toughness as a candidate, and he needed to bring up his days as a community project leader in Chicago and it helped. His speech after winning South Carolina was great, and if he can get a good push by these new found supporters (Kennedy family, Kansas governor, etc.), maybe he can pull through and win Georgia, Illinois, come close in California, and maybe steal a few western states. It is going to be very close and I'm hoping he can pull through with a come-from-behind just one more time....
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Post by IXI B@CkSt0P IXI on Jan 29, 2008 14:01:30 GMT -5
I heard the only reason he won South Carolina was because of some comments Clinton made...
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Post by detroitbasketball on Jan 29, 2008 15:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jan 29, 2008 15:24:46 GMT -5
I heard the only reason he won South Carolina was because of some comments Clinton made... You don't win by 28% points because of a comment someone else made... Obama has a great deal of respect for the flag. The instance you're talking about was not the Pledge (in which he always has his hand over his heart), but rather the National Anthem, where he was the only candidate singing, because that's how he was raised to act during that time (as was I and I'm sure plenty others). |
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Post by detroitbasketball on Jan 29, 2008 15:26:49 GMT -5
I heard the only reason he won South Carolina was because of some comments Clinton made... No offense buddy, but your lack of political knowledge shows....I'm sure Bill Clinton's campaigning swayed some people both ways, but that victory was decisive, and even after Hillary had led by double digits in the past. |
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Post by Maize on Jan 29, 2008 15:53:16 GMT -5
The real reason Obama won South Carolina came down to his support from the democratic black electorate. He won nearly 75% of the African-American vote, and only 30% of the white vote. This will probably hurt him nationally, because there is no state where the black electorate makes up as high of a proportion of the registered voters - as in South Carolina. He in fact lost the two whitest counties (including Myrtle Beach to Clinton), but won the other 44.
New polls show him ahead in Georgia, Illinois, Idaho, and Colorado. Close in California, Kansas and Alabama. Losing New York, Massachusetts, Arizona, New Mexico, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Minnesota. There hasn't been a poll within the last month in North Dakota or Utah, but it should be Clinton states as well. For him to have a shot, I think he has to win over 1-2 states that are currently for Clinton, pull out California, and make it close in all the states he currently trails.
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Post by Keeper on Jan 29, 2008 18:03:59 GMT -5
The real reason Obama won South Carolina came down to his support from the democratic black electorate. He won nearly 75% of the African-American vote, and only 30% of the white vote. This will probably hurt him nationally, because there is no state where the black electorate makes up as high of a proportion of the registered voters - as in South Carolina. He in fact lost the two whitest counties (including Myrtle Beach to Clinton), but won the other 44. New polls show him ahead in Georgia, Illinois, Idaho, and Colorado. Close in California, Kansas and Alabama. Losing New York, Massachusetts, Arizona, New Mexico, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Minnesota. There hasn't been a poll within the last month in North Dakota or Utah, but it should be Clinton states as well. For him to have a shot, I think he has to win over 1-2 states that are currently for Clinton, pull out California, and make it close in all the states he currently trails. Iowa and New Hampshire are two of the whitest states in the nation, and he won and finished a very close second in those two... |
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Post by D-Mac on Jan 29, 2008 18:07:15 GMT -5
Obama is here in KC tonight, thinkin about going to see him.
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Post by Keeper on Jan 29, 2008 18:07:42 GMT -5
Obama is here in KC tonight, thinkin about going to see him. Do it, really worth the experience. |
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Post by Maize on Jan 29, 2008 20:37:57 GMT -5
You should go and see him. A completley different experience in person. And it was impressive getting a first and second in Iowa and New Hampshire, but the racial divison in South Carolina led to his victory. In the earlier northern states, it wasn't as much of an issue.
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Post by D-Mac on Jan 30, 2008 8:18:32 GMT -5
Obama is here in KC tonight, thinkin about going to see him. Do it, really worth the experience. i tried to go but as I watching TV the thing sold out like 3 hours before it started I really wanted to go also. |
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Post by Claytons Crew on Jan 30, 2008 15:12:28 GMT -5
I hate when people throw the whole race thing in there. There are some white people that I know that don't even follow this stuff but they want Edwards because he's a white male. I also know some black people that don't follow it either and they want Obama. I have no idea who wants Clinton because, I don't even think she should be running.
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Post by bearcat on Jan 30, 2008 17:52:35 GMT -5
Missouri's an important state. I think the last three presidents to win the election (Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr.,) all won Missouri in the Electoral.
Pop. vote too.
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Post by Chief Bstn on Jan 30, 2008 21:58:57 GMT -5
In Newbury Comics today, there was a car freshener and it had Hillary Clinton's face on it, saying "I'm Your Man!"
I chuckled.
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