Universal Health Care

[JackTheRipper]

notrelame said:

because of the war, we're getting dumber and dumber.

Quiet, you.

[detroitbasketball]

Let's just nuke Iraq. It would take care of everything.

*THIS POST IS A JOKE, PEOPLE. DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.*

[I am a huge CUNT]

freak93 said:

Also to add, just because you don't like the President doesn't mean you don't support troops. Every man and woman in the armed services is much braver than I am and most likely always will be. I feel bad for them that they are risking their lives fighting for things we can't bring an end to. I also find it somewhat hypocritical that people imply they support the troops but somehow change 4000 dead human beings into a pointless statistic. Do you support the soldiers until they are killed, then do they just become meaningless? Those numbers represent more than a tally, they represent a person. Someone who was loved and cared about by somebody in this country. Maybe it is just me. I want them to live. I guess I don't support them.

Ok, where did I say any of that?

Just because I had a statistic means that I don't support the troops good enough to your liking? Right pal. When I've had 3 relatives including my brother die there.

There is good things happening there. It's the stupid f****** media that blows things out of proportion. Maybe there are military secrets that they don't want to broadcast on public news. Would it be smart to broadcast something like that so the enemy knows we're coming? You people don't see the pictures of soldiers hugging the adults and children in Iraq. They are glad we are there. They are glad we are helping them.

[Freak93]

Did I say you said it? I speak of people in general who make that statement. Did I ever say you didn't support the troops enough? No. I was speaking in general. The opinion that not liking the President means you don't support the troops is a pretty common one.

I can understand the point when the citizens of Iraq are gracious for some of the accomplishments. Thing is, if we do it there, shouldn't we do it everywhere? We have been terrible with things like that. What have we done to help those in Darfur? What about the victims during the Rwandan Genocide? If we are going to risk soldiers lives doing good things, I would hope we don't just limit it to areas of the world with oil interests.

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freak93 said:

What have we done to help those in Darfur?

Just because it's not making national headlines doesn't mean we haven't done anything about it.

[Freak93]

msuspartan2 said:

freak93 said:

What have we done to help those in Darfur?

Just because it's not making national headlines doesn't mean we haven't done anything about it.

When I see the pictures of Darfur citizens hugging soldiers I guess I will better understand the impact of good.

You would think we would have learned from Rwanda.

[cooljayhu]

spartan I doubt it would be a big secret if anybody (including Canadians) were helping in darfur.

[Keeper]

I know I'm doing my job when no one wants to respond to my posts.

[dkgojackets]

keepereusc said:

I know I'm doing my job when no one wants to respond to my posts.

They are too long and thus not easily quotable and replyable.

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david said:

keepereusc said:

I know I'm doing my job when no one wants to respond to my posts.

They are too long and thus not easily quotable and replyable.

And the fact that you are called ignorant if you don't agree.

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cooljayhu said:

spartan I doubt it would be a big secret if anybody (including Canadians) were helping in darfur.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the government. I was talking about schools and companies all across my state. Pretty much everywhere I go in my town and surrounding areas, there are a bunch of Darfur donation boxes, especially at my school.

[Keeper]

msuspartan2 said:

And the fact that you are called ignorant if you don't agree.

Ah, because I just made posts full of personal attacks and name calling rather than respectfully stating my stance to counter the points that had been made. That makes perfect sense.

[Keeper]

msuspartan2 said:

There is good things happening there. It's the stupid f****** media that blows things out of proportion. Maybe there are military secrets that they don't want to broadcast on public news. Would it be smart to broadcast something like that so the enemy knows we're coming? You people don't see the pictures of soldiers hugging the adults and children in Iraq. They are glad we are there. They are glad we are helping them.

No they are not happy we are there. Since at least 2004 Iraqis have been overwhelmingly in support of immediate U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

[JacktheRipper]

keepereusc said:

msuspartan2 said:

There is good things happening there. It's the stupid f****** media that blows things out of proportion. Maybe there are military secrets that they don't want to broadcast on public news. Would it be smart to broadcast something like that so the enemy knows we're coming? You people don't see the pictures of soldiers hugging the adults and children in Iraq. They are glad we are there. They are glad we are helping them.

No they are not happy we are there. Since at least 2004 Iraqis have been overwhelmingly in support of immediate U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

I would argure that the power vaccum that will happen makes it needed to kepp troops there. There's little doubt in my mind the terrorist types would actually take over and would make this whole war all for nothing. Can't really let that happen can we? Plus Iraq is now a strategic location considering the situation in Iraq. Maybe the people don't want us there, but to be honest, I think America needs to be there in the long run...

[Loki]

I don't post in threads like this because EVERYONE thinks they know everything and they don't.

And I hope you all realize we'll be in Iraq from now until forever, so what are we arguing for?

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keepereusc said:

No they are not happy we are there. Since at least 2004 Iraqis have been overwhelmingly in support of immediate U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

Keep thinking that. It's not like we built schools over there and got rid of one of the world's most horrible leaders or anything.

[JacktheRipper]

msuspartan2 said:

keepereusc said:

No they are not happy we are there. Since at least 2004 Iraqis have been overwhelmingly in support of immediate U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

Keep thinking that. It's not like we built schools over there and got rid of one of the world's most horrible leaders or anything.

Please. It doesn't matter that we got Saddam out of there, I'm sure they want to control their own political destiny. The schools and stuff are moot until we get you know they get some electricity and running water. Iraq is far from a good situation...

[detroitbasketball]

One thing I totally missed - when did this go from a debate regarding universal health care to a debate regarding Iraq?

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detroitbasketball said:

One thing I totally missed - when did this go from a debate regarding universal health care to a debate regarding Iraq?

Easy. When people started talking about how useless the war was.

[detroitbasketball]

Alright, because I think both sides are being a bit extreme here, I feel the need to state where I stand on Iraq, take it or leave it.

I think we've done good in Iraq. However, I think we've done everything we can. All that happens if we remain is that more troops are killed in more sectarian violence. The onus now lies on the Iraqi government. They need to train a police force and get a hold of the situation. We need to stop being the Iraqi police and focus on Al-Qaeda.