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Post by Freak93 on May 14, 2008 11:04:19 GMT -5
How in the hell is this man charged with arson and criminal mischief? Where is attempted homicide and perhaps committing a hate crime?
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Post by jct32 on May 14, 2008 15:44:37 GMT -5
It sounds worse than it actually is, is just sounds this was just something that a high schooler would do. Just set fire to the most inviting thing, and this was a turban on somebody's head. If someone would have been wearing a hat he probably would have done it to them too. I don't think its a hate crime. He didn't say anything to him that was of discriminating nature. I don't think it was attempted homicide to because the young man could have easily removed his turban.
It's the media who makes you think it is so bad, if it would had been a hat that would have been sat on fire, it would have never got covered, but some people try to blow it up, when it is not a hate crime.
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Post by JackTheRipper on May 14, 2008 19:00:56 GMT -5
It sounds worse than it actually is, is just sounds this was just something that a high schooler would do. Just set fire to the most inviting thing, and this was a turban on somebody's head. If someone would have been wearing a hat he probably would have done it to them too. I don't think its a hate crime. He didn't say anything to him that was of discriminating nature. I don't think it was attempted homicide to because the young man could have easily removed his turban. It's the media who makes you think it is so bad, if it would had been a hat that would have been sat on fire, it would have never got covered, but some people try to blow it up, when it is not a hate crime. Listen man, I don't think it was just a case of him wanting to torch something... |
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Post by jct32 on May 14, 2008 19:13:00 GMT -5
Listen man, innocent until proven guilty. He probably thought "This fire drill is stupid, I'll give them something to drill." Trust me, this is typical of today's high school students, they do stuff without thinking. I guarentee you he didn't go "Hey, lets light that kids turban on fire because he is of a different religon." it was probably more along the lines of "Dude, what does that guy have on his head, dude lets light it on fire"
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Post by JackTheRipper on May 14, 2008 19:14:10 GMT -5
Listen man, innocent until proven guilty. He probably thought "This fire drill is stupid, I'll give them something to drill." Trust me, this is typical of today's high school students, they do stuff without thinking. I guarentee you he didn't go "Hey, lets light that kids turban on fire because he is of a different religon." it was probably more along the lines of "Dude, what does that guy have on his head, dude lets light it on fire" Because racism doesn't exist... |
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Post by jct32 on May 14, 2008 19:34:55 GMT -5
I didn't say it didn't exist. You have to plan out a hate crime a little bit more. I think was more of a wrong place wrong, time thing. He was around the wrong people at the wrong time.
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Post by Chief Bstn on May 14, 2008 19:37:33 GMT -5
Innocent until proven guilty? This is America..
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on May 14, 2008 19:39:14 GMT -5
It's the media who makes you think it is so bad Maybe not this issue, but that is a true statement for a lot of things nowadays. |
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Post by detroitbasketball on May 14, 2008 19:57:26 GMT -5
Innocent until proven guilty is an ideal everyone says they put forth, but rarely ever do.
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Post by cooljayhu on May 14, 2008 20:06:45 GMT -5
hate crimes don't need to planned ahead of time. Are you mental? Thats the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of DC. Hate crimes can be on impulse just look almost every other crime
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Post by detroitbasketball on May 14, 2008 20:07:20 GMT -5
Thats the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of DC. Oh please. |
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Post by cooljayhu on May 14, 2008 20:09:26 GMT -5
usually its just about stupid stuff but this is serious, if he thinks that I'm not sure about him
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Post by Freak93 on May 14, 2008 22:24:24 GMT -5
If you want to light something on fire, light something not on a person. Lighting something that is on a person's body on fire is just absurd. He could have killed the kid. Not only that, don't make it seem like the kid with the turban should have just taken it off. Why should he go against his beliefs for some loser who wants to light his turban on fire? This kid needs to see some more punishment.
Also, good to see some of us think a turban is an inviting target of violence. The wrong place/wrong time thing is just bullshit. You are at school, you don't choose to be stuck with assholes like this. This kid needs to see some serious punishment for pulling such crazy shit.
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Post by jct32 on May 15, 2008 7:11:27 GMT -5
Most everyone at high school is a crazy asshole.
Now I'm not agreeing with the act, I still think it was stupid of the kid, but if you get your turban/hat/beanie/whateveryouwearonyourhead caught on fire. It is your natural instinct to take it off. Now are you saying that these kids are lighting this kids turban of fire so he won't wear it? I don't believe it, they are in high school, they are more likely to just take it off his head and tease it with him?
But what really gets me is what happened to seperation of church and state? We are not allowed to pray in school anymore, we don't say the pledge of alligence because it says GOD, we no longer have christmas break it's winter break, we are no longer allowed to have christmas plays that involve with they very thing that christmas is about, AND yet because this kid's parent's probably whined and cried and threatened to pursuer a lawsuit so they could get their kid privileges that no one else is allowed to have.
IMO this whole situation should be avoided, he should have not been allowed to wear the turban on school grounds, as soon as he got off school property he could put it back on, but not on school grounds.
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Post by Freak93 on May 15, 2008 9:53:28 GMT -5
You are missing the point. Why should they even light the kid's turban in the first place? Of course you are going to take it off when it is on fire. However, why the hell would you take it off for them to light it up?
Yes, they are in high school. It could have been teasing but it also could have been a form of racism. If this is elementary school, teasing no doubt. However, high school students truly begin to show their racist views at this point in their life.
Also, wearing a piece of clothing is one thing. Taking time out of the lesson plan to acknowledge one specific God is not fair. It isn't like the kid is praying during class or anything. The turban is the equivalent of wearing a necklace with a cross on it. I am sure it is not exclusive privileges as well. If another kid wants to wear a turban or any other headdress for a decent reason, they probably can. Thing is, most just want to wear a baseball cap that really doesn't signify anything in common religion. If it was a crown of thorns, then go for it.
If that kid can't wear a turban on school grounds, you need to take away all of the crosses that people wear on jewelery, every shirt that mentions Jesus, and the works.
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Post by cooljayhu on May 15, 2008 15:22:08 GMT -5
what? that means I wouldn't be allowed to wear my "Jesus is my Homeboy" t-shirt?
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Post by Keeper on May 15, 2008 16:31:47 GMT -5
Should be charged as a hate crime, arson, and criminal mischief, I don't think you can get attempted homicide on this one, would be an uphill battle.
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Post by JacktheRipper on May 15, 2008 19:56:51 GMT -5
But what really gets me is what happened to seperation of church and state? We are not allowed to pray in school anymore, we don't say the pledge of alligence because it says GOD, we no longer have christmas break it's winter break, we are no longer allowed to have christmas plays that involve with they very thing that christmas is about, AND yet because this kid's parent's probably whined and cried and threatened to pursuer a lawsuit so they could get their kid privileges that no one else is allowed to have. IMO this whole situation should be avoided, he should have not been allowed to wear the turban on school grounds, as soon as he got off school property he could put it back on, but not on school grounds. You're showing a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1st amendment here. Wearing a turban is perfectly within the context of a free expression of one's faith. The school as a body cannot back one religion because it would be viewed as the state backing a paticual faith and that's against the 1st amendment. This kid wearing a turban is not a state run entity imposing religion, it's a kid expressing his personal religion. Therefore completely within his legal rights. Hell I would go as far to say that banning a turban without banning any other religious affliated clothing/jewlery would be against the whole "freedom of religion" bit. What are the teaching in government classes today? |
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Post by detroitbasketball on May 15, 2008 20:06:25 GMT -5
What are the teaching in government classes today? Nothing of substance, believe me.... |
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Post by Leak2Troupe03 on May 16, 2008 18:55:51 GMT -5
What are the teaching in government classes today? What are they teaching in English classes today?  |
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