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Post by dkgojackets on Jul 2, 2008 18:30:59 GMT -5
I heard Jesus had a pet Pterodactyl.
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Post by bri551 on Jul 2, 2008 19:02:38 GMT -5
My post wasn't advocating any belief of origins, but a cry for people not to trust phony science. MRSA's don't prove anything, because the structures of viruses and bacteria allow for micro-evolution (small changes to aid survival), but the theory that everything came from single celled organisms is a crazy step into the dark. Show me MRSA's that evolve into lets say a hydra. You would have something. And don't bring up the example of the cloning a pig's ear by using a group of cells--those cells are just replicating the same tissue like they are supposed to. All I am saying is that there is too much we don't know to say we have the origin of the earth figured out either way. (By the way, it also doesn't mean that most Americans aren't idiots either.)
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jul 2, 2008 19:14:18 GMT -5
My post wasn't advocating any belief of origins, but a cry for people not to trust phony science. MRSA's don't prove anything, because the structures of viruses and bacteria allow for micro-evolution (small changes to aid survival), but the theory that everything came from single celled organisms is a crazy step into the dark. Show me MRSA's that evolve into lets say a hydra. You would have something. And don't bring up the example of the cloning a pig's ear by using a group of cells--those cells are just replicating the same tissue like they are supposed to. All I am saying is that there is too much we don't know to say we have the origin of the earth figured out either way. (By the way, it also doesn't mean that most Americans aren't idiots either.) My point on the MRSAs is that it shows evolution happens. Remember what evolution is all about, certain traits in a species allow it to survive better and is passed on. I don't really see the leap of faith required to say everything evolved from single celled organisms though. The problem is, like you say, we don't know. My posts aren't saying anything about that. It's the young earth, God put us all here group that I'm bitching at. I realize there is still debate over how old the earth is in scientific circles, thanks to different methods of testing dates and different methods of using the same test to do so. The difference is, most of the debate is between 10-20 billion years (huge timespan). I don't see how anyone could view the world being 10,000 years old or less. Dinosaurs and what not again, disagree with this. My final point...is believing we came from single celled organisms any crazier than believing an invisible man in the sky made us all? Probably shouldn't say as crazy...but both take leaps of faith. I just choose to think the former is more believable. The odds are astronomical, but we have enough planets in the universe to allow the right combo of factors to come together to support life. Ugh, we don't know. *You're still batshit crazy if you think the world is 6,000 years old* |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jul 2, 2008 19:42:25 GMT -5
LMAO, this reminds me of the family guy where Peter becomes a redneck and watches "An inconvient truth: edited for rednecks". A JESUS-asaurus Rex. Scientists say that the universe was created by GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. |
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Post by Freak93 on Jul 2, 2008 21:12:14 GMT -5
I will just say that "God" creating everything isn't as absurd as science at all. Both are in the same boat. However, I feel the current manner many believe "god" created this Earth are just out there.
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Post by bri551 on Jul 2, 2008 21:14:19 GMT -5
If monkeys evolved into men in order to survive, why are they still here?
If apes could evolve into something else to avoid extiction, why haven't they evolved to save themselves in Africa?
For that matter, what animal do we know of in the years of recorded human history has evolved into something else to avoid extinction?
I have these problems with the theory of evolution that noone is going to answer to my satisfaction, because NOONE WAS THERE TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN. Nothing has happened to show us any different either (i.e. a species evolving into something else--MRSA are still bacteria just with a resistance to what killed them before). BTW--Whales changed their migratory habits to avoid the typical whaling expeditions, is that evolution when it did not help them prevent extinction? Every speculation that is out there has to be accepted with faith. I just wish our culture would be intellectually honest and admit it. What I believe is a matter of my faith and it is not going to be helped or hurt by science, because science can only prove what it can test and observe today. Americans are idiots because they cannot defend philosophical positions honestly. Many just spout what they have heard on TV or in their church without really checking their facts. (i.e. Obama is a muslim if you believe what gets sent in emails all over the net.)
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jul 2, 2008 21:37:11 GMT -5
If monkeys evolved into men in order to survive, why are they still here? If apes could evolve into something else to avoid extiction, why haven't they evolved to save themselves in Africa? For that matter, what animal do we know of in the years of recorded human history has evolved into something else to avoid extinction? I have these problems with the theory of evolution that noone is going to answer to my satisfaction, because NOONE WAS THERE TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN. Nothing has happened to show us any different either (i.e. a species evolving into something else--MRSA are still bacteria just with a resistance to what killed them before). BTW--Whales changed their migratory habits to avoid the typical whaling expeditions, is that evolution when it did not help them prevent extinction? Every speculation that is out there has to be accepted with faith. I just wish our culture would be intellectually honest and admit it. What I believe is a matter of my faith and it is not going to be helped or hurt by science, because science can only prove what it can test and observe today. Americans are idiots because they cannot defend philosophical positions honestly. Many just spout what they have heard on TV or in their church without really checking their facts. (i.e. Obama is a muslim if you believe what gets sent in emails all over the net.) To start with, if one species evolves it doesn't mean the former will die out. They just have a trait that helps keep them alive longer and have more time to pass that gene along. This group of apes got smarter and used that to survive better. These smart apes become us. This takes time. Longer time, mind you, than humans have been keeping record. There are examples of bacteria because it happens quickly. A species changing can take a while. The whales are also a form of evolution, not really in the biological sense. They changed their patters to better survive. They made a positive change to help their population and species survive. It working or not doesn't matter, they adapted to the conditions. It does take a leap of faith to believe anything without total proof. It comes down to this, what makes the mose sense to you given the evidence. Mine says likely evolution sans creator but I can certainly see where if there was a God he'd have a hand in the process. It's the bibical literalist who believe the stuff I've attacked that I am getting at. You don't appear to be one, which makes me happy. I'm going to go digging tomorrow at work to find some things to back up both dating the earth and evolution. |
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Post by USN on Jul 3, 2008 1:53:29 GMT -5
I would say that the answer that garnered the most votes from both sides I might add was the preferred choice because it had no ties to evolution. They were going away from evolution more than they were believing the Earth was created 10,000 yrs ago. IMO that is an arbitrary number, I don't recall that in anywhere in the Bible. Read a book called 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins, then you can start to begin to have an intelligent discussion on whether or not evolution or God at all exists.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jul 3, 2008 8:15:25 GMT -5
I would say that the answer that garnered the most votes from both sides I might add was the preferred choice because it had no ties to evolution. They were going away from evolution more than they were believing the Earth was created 10,000 yrs ago. IMO that is an arbitrary number, I don't recall that in anywhere in the Bible. Read a book called 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins, then you can start to begin to have an intelligent discussion on whether or not evolution or God at all exists. I haven't read it, but I'm going to check out a few reviews later to see if I can talk to you about this. You know, some healthy discussion. |
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