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Post by LjSnUo on Nov 20, 2006 0:45:50 GMT -5
from this next draft who do you take?
If JR comes out its gotta be him. The upside is too large to pass.
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Post by StatBoy on Nov 20, 2006 1:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by Loki on Nov 20, 2006 6:52:09 GMT -5
There's a reason Florida wants Tebow... |
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Post by StatBoy on Nov 20, 2006 12:39:11 GMT -5
There's a reason Florida wants Tebow... They want Tebow cause Leak's leaving and Meyer is obsessed with using his spread offense in the SEC, even though it's a huge long shot that it'll even work there. Them getting Tebow has nothing to do with Leak other than the fact that he's getting ready to go to the NFL and Meyer's getting a jump start on his spread offense. You must be the smart one in your famly.  |
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Post by LjSnUo on Nov 20, 2006 14:04:52 GMT -5
Leak isn't half the quarterback Russell is physically and thats what makes it in the NFL. |
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Post by Chief Bstn on Nov 20, 2006 14:10:20 GMT -5
Leak..isn't that good.
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Post by Loki on Nov 20, 2006 14:31:50 GMT -5
I must be if everyone else in this thread is agreeing with me. Leak...sucks. Statboy don't insult my intelligence nor does your little insult even make any sense. And coaches don't push their "great" quarterback aside to "get a jump on things" because Leak is already great enough, he doesn't need to prove it on the field...so maybe it's you that need to grow a brain there bud.
LMAO..your argument really is the dumbest thing I've ever heard...jump start...lmao. Yea because Leak sucks. 3rd-4th round pick, winds up as a career back-up.
Like ljsnuo said Russell is a much better quarterback than Leak but sorry ljsnuo...there's two other quarterbacks I much rather take, those two being Troy Smith and Brady Quinn hands down. JaMarcus would probably be the third QB taken in the draft.
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Post by IXI B@CkSt0P IXI on Nov 20, 2006 18:16:08 GMT -5
Well im hoping that Troy does turn out to be good in the NFL cause he has played great this season. I would probably take Quinn over Troy just because it seems scrambling QB's are even passing more and more.
I wouldn't pass up Stanton either...
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Post by darjarbinx on Nov 20, 2006 18:26:11 GMT -5
I don't think Troy will be that great in the NFL. He has an accurate arm, but nothing stands out in his play. He should be a first day pick with some upside. Brady Quinn will be the first quarterback taken without a doubt. He's too hyped not to. I do like JaMarcus Russell though. If he gets some good coaching he could be Daunte Culpepper-esque in his heyday.
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Post by detroitbasketball on Nov 20, 2006 18:32:00 GMT -5
This doesn't really apply to me, the Lions'll get the top pick and draft Calvin Johnson.
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Post by bearcat on Nov 20, 2006 19:25:44 GMT -5
Quinn plays in a very complex, NFL-type offense at ND. That will no doubt help him out in his transition to the league, and should be the first QB taken, regardless of where.
After that it's a little muddled. I agree with DJB on Smith. He's just a steady player that does everything equally well. Russell seems raw to me. Get him with the right coach, and I like his chances at NFL success. Leak might have all the tools to be great, but plays in an offense not suited to his abilities, and plus, he's too small. I don't even think he's over 200. Stanton's also an intriguing player...dual-threat quarterback that really has some skills in the passing game.
I think this could be a very good QB draft, if certain people opt out early.
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Post by LjSnUo on Nov 20, 2006 19:53:28 GMT -5
Russell seems raw to me. Get him with the right coach, and I like his chances at NFL success If by raw you mean completing nearly 70% of his passes and having better than a 3:1 TD to INT ratio then yes Russell is very raw. Honestly he is the most physically gifted quarterback that the NFL will have as soon as he gets in the league, thats how good this guy is. The only possible thing that you could say is wrong with him is that he is too confident in himself. He stands in the pocket for too long sometimes because he knows he can make every single pass possible so he waits for it to develop and occasionally that gets to him. Many of his interceptions this season haven't even been his fault, it either went through the wide outs hands or was tipped. He really is the most physically gifted quarterback probably in the world right now. |
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Post by bearcat on Nov 20, 2006 21:30:00 GMT -5
Russell seems raw to me. Get him with the right coach, and I like his chances at NFL success If by raw you mean completing nearly 70% of his passes and having better than a 3:1 TD to INT ratio then yes Russell is very raw. Honestly he is the most physically gifted quarterback that the NFL will have as soon as he gets in the league, thats how good this guy is. The only possible thing that you could say is wrong with him is that he is too confident in himself. He stands in the pocket for too long sometimes because he knows he can make every single pass possible so he waits for it to develop and occasionally that gets to him. Many of his interceptions this season haven't even been his fault, it either went through the wide outs hands or was tipped. He really is the most physically gifted quarterback probably in the world right now. It wasn't meant as a criticism, I hope you know that. I'm basing that off of the two or three games I have seen him play in, which isn't really a good sample. And those games were from the last few seasons, not this year. Apparently he is doing a lot better now from what you say. |
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Post by JackTheRipper on Nov 21, 2006 15:53:25 GMT -5
Quinn because he's the "ready to play now" guy. He's gonna be a solid to great QB down the line because Charlie Weis has been prepping him in that pro-style offense.
As for Russell, I just have to say that he reminds me of Daunte Culpepper, pre-meltdown. He could be a diamond but I don't think he's polished enough and honestly, he may be over confident in himself and decide he doesn't need work. I think that his drive and maturity developement in the NFL will determine everything.
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Post by McGahee on Nov 21, 2006 19:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by Leak2Troupe03 on Nov 21, 2006 21:10:29 GMT -5
Well, I wouldnt make Chris Leak the top choice of all quarterbacks but I think he could possibly put together a future if given the chance. He has 84 career passing touchdowns and 40 interceptions. Thats not too bad, he also adds alot of leadership to your team being that he has been a starter since about midway into his freshman year.
The thing that hurts Chris is the arrival of Urban Meyer. Leak just isnt the kind of quarterback Meyer wants in his offense, and it shows in his stats the past two seasons. Chris is more fit to be an NFL quarterback with his pocket presence and such than a college quarterback in Urban's offense.
If I had to chose though, no doubt in my mind im taking Brady Quinn just because of his impressive numbers the past two years and how much easier his transition to the NFL will be due to Charlie Weis.
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Post by LjSnUo on Nov 22, 2006 0:24:41 GMT -5
As for Russell, I just have to say that he reminds me of Daunte Culpepper, pre-meltdown. He could be a diamond but I don't think he's polished enough and honestly, he may be over confident in himself and decide he doesn't need work. I think that his drive and maturity developement in the NFL will determine everything. You really haven't seen much of him have you? He can make every throw that you could ever imagine, and then make it while being pressured and needing to move. The commitment he has already made to make himself better is amazing. The coaches asked him to get to 250 lbs (came out of HS at 225) and he is now 262 of pure muscle. The man has been the leader of one of the top teams in college for two years now and has been dominant with them the whole time. |
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Post by Terps on Nov 22, 2006 12:16:53 GMT -5
Brady Quinn and Troy Smith will probably be the top 2 QBs taken...bank on Quinn going first. He's got the arm, he's a big guy, and he's playing in a pretty complex offense already.
I could see the Bills drafting Troy Smith, although line is their most pressing need, if Losman ends the year poorly.
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Post by JackTheRipper on Nov 24, 2006 9:45:33 GMT -5
As for Russell, I just have to say that he reminds me of Daunte Culpepper, pre-meltdown. He could be a diamond but I don't think he's polished enough and honestly, he may be over confident in himself and decide he doesn't need work. I think that his drive and maturity developement in the NFL will determine everything. You really haven't seen much of him have you? He can make every throw that you could ever imagine, and then make it while being pressured and needing to move. The commitment he has already made to make himself better is amazing. The coaches asked him to get to 250 lbs (came out of HS at 225) and he is now 262 of pure muscle. The man has been the leader of one of the top teams in college for two years now and has been dominant with them the whole time. Man, someone's really been downing the JR kool-aid, haven't they? |
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Post by JacktheRipper on Nov 25, 2006 18:09:17 GMT -5
I've seen all but two of LSU's games and I too think that JR is a raw quarterback. All the physical gifts you could ever need as a QB, but I just don't think he's all that great on the mental end of things yet. Makes too many questionable thows, and gets away with a good deal because of guys like Doucet and Bowe at wideout and even fullback Jacob Hester (who's amazing) to a degree. I personally think he should stay at LSU, but as a Bama fan I hope he jumps early to give us a slighter better shot at winning the West next year (not that I think that's happening).
I would probably take Quinn if I'm a crappy team that needs a quarterback solution early. If I can sit a guy for a few years, I would look at Russel (assuming he comes out), Smith, or maybe even Leak.
You know something though, there are not a ton of great quarterbacks coming out this year.
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