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Post by sprew8 on Aug 1, 2006 18:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by USN on Aug 1, 2006 20:41:14 GMT -5
there is revenue sharing.. and besides if teams are going to be cheap.. it is their fault
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Post by bdes on Aug 1, 2006 21:33:44 GMT -5
I love baseball how it is.... its fine ps- damn voted for the wrong one...  |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Aug 1, 2006 22:09:28 GMT -5
there is revenue sharing.. and besides if teams are going to be cheap.. it is their fault Some owners just don't have 200 million to spend on their baseball team like the Yanks and the red Sox. Some of them choose to put their money in their business'. |
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Post by McGahee on Aug 2, 2006 6:38:45 GMT -5
How could you just add a salary cap anyways... you can't just tell half the owners they need to cut half their salaries in order to meet a salary cap.
Although I find it hilarious that the Yankees and Red Sox can't even manage to field the best team in baseball. The Tigers have 2/5 the payroll of the Yankees and 2/3 the payroll of the Red Sox, yet they have a better team.
Don't give me this garbage about revenue sharing either. I understand their are a couple bad owners out there that simply aren't smart enough to know that you have to pay to win in a league that has no salary cap, but if every team in the league were to have payrolls of $200M, don't you think that would make things worse? Overpaying for free agents is what Steinbrenner does best, so when you see guys that typically bat 6-8 in a lineup getting over $10M a year on every team in the league, it will be better for the game? It's a chain reaction, and teams know that it's going to take more than what the Yankees are doing in order to get as comfortable as they are now (although 2nd place in your division isn't that great when you factor in that they average $2M per win at the rate they're going).
Baseball had it's chance to add a salary cap, but if Bud Selig were to try and implement one now, it would be another big issue that he brings up after the worst effects have already come into play.
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Post by sprew8 on Aug 2, 2006 8:37:30 GMT -5
How could you just add a salary cap anyways... you can't just tell half the owners they need to cut half their salaries in order to meet a salary cap. And that's why baseball need a salary cap. Now the little teams would be competive just like in hockey or in football. The way it is right now is the Yankees gets whoever they want and the rest is up to the rest of the league. GO TIGERS !  |
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Post by USN on Aug 2, 2006 8:47:04 GMT -5
You do it with your farm systems... The Marlins are a small market team and they won the World Series.. the Oakland A's are competitive as are the Twins... Steinbrenner is doing the best he can to make his team competitive, and he has to share his money with those other owners. However, those owners aren't spending... the Marlins now come into play with their 15M dollar payroll
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Post by Sportsbuck on Aug 2, 2006 11:06:13 GMT -5
Yes, but where did the talent come from for the Marlins? the Twins? The major league draft. Josh Beckett was asking for a 10 mil bonus when he got drafted in '99 by the Marlins. He didn't get that much, but close to it.
The Twins drafted Joe Mauer in '01 I believe, and commanded a high bonus.
The reason the Marlins payroll is so low, is because their talent comes from where it should, the diamonds in the rough in the late rounds that have low salaries.
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Post by USN on Aug 2, 2006 13:54:05 GMT -5
revenue sharing and luxury tax aren't enough? Well then lets see another strike.. baseball is just getting over the one in '94.. those small market teams would be hit huge... the Giants couldn't handle it with their ballpark situation.. and as proven in recent years, spending does not always translate to champions
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Post by USN on Aug 2, 2006 14:00:11 GMT -5
Their payroll is 21 million dollars away from Tampa's lean payroll of 35 M dollars.
They have two players making over one million. Dontrelle makes 4.35 M and Brian Moehler makes 1.5 M.
The Marilins went from 60M payroll in 05 to under 15M in 06.
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Post by McGahee on Aug 3, 2006 7:36:44 GMT -5
How could you just add a salary cap anyways... you can't just tell half the owners they need to cut half their salaries in order to meet a salary cap. And that's why baseball need a salary cap. Now the little teams would be competive just like in hockey or in football. The way it is right now is the Yankees gets whoever they want and the rest is up to the rest of the league. GO TIGERS ! You don't get what I'm saying though. The Yankees and Red Sox and the other big market teams have done nothing wrong. They simply are taking advantage of MLB's stupidity, and have had success off of it. So Bud Selig can't cheat out these teams just because he was stupid enough to make it so small market teams start with a dis-advantage. How can you say the luxury tax HELPS other teams. From the Yankees and Red Sox last year, the combined $38M means each team gets a little over $1M on average. Stop saying that it's the owners fault for being cheap, because these owners are the ones that are saving baseball right now. Nobody responded to how baseball would be destroyed right now if half the owners that were "cheap" became like the Yankees and both Sox teams. If they started to drive up the prices for free agents, the Yankees would have to pay more to get a FA. It's bad enough how overpaid some of thsee guys are in the first place, and if more teams started to go all out spending ludicrous amounts for undeserving players, you'll be saying the Yankees and Sox teams payrolls up in the $300M range. There needs to be a salary cap. I can agree with that. But it's just too late right now, so Bud Selig needs to think of a way to implement one which will come into effect in a few years, giving these owners time to decide who to pay and who not to. |
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Post by USN on Aug 3, 2006 8:56:18 GMT -5
The Players' Union would never allow it... the players would strike and baseball would go down the tubes again
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Post by TJFOR3 on Aug 3, 2006 9:30:08 GMT -5
There doesn't need to be a salary cap
Not like the same teams win every year............
And if the Yankees want to spend the Yankees want to spend, not like their winning the Championship every year
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Post by TJFOR3 on Aug 3, 2006 9:32:29 GMT -5
ALso, for anyone who talks abokut the Tigers having a small payroll and being the best in the game, wait till the playoffs, then we'll see if their the best team
Sure they can beat the White Sox(who cant these days), but can they beat the Sox and Yanks
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Post by sprew8 on Aug 3, 2006 10:18:42 GMT -5
Sure they can beat the White Sox(who cant these days), but can they beat the Sox and Yanks Nope they cant ? Why ? No salary cap. |
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Post by TJFOR3 on Aug 3, 2006 10:26:51 GMT -5
Nope. Becasue other teams management don't care about winning as much as the Sox and Yanks
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Post by USN on Aug 3, 2006 10:28:43 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with it... regular season is not that same as post season... and another thing. If you have a salary cap.. you need to have a basement cap. You have to show that these teams will all of their money towards making the team competitive. Because now they can spend however much they want and they aren't doing. How is a cap on spending going to help competitiveness? You don't need to bring those on the top down you need to bring the other teams up.
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Post by USN on Aug 3, 2006 10:31:01 GMT -5
The Tigers can beat the White Sox whose payroll is 20M bigger than Detroit. SO what's to say they can't beat the Yankees or the Red Sox
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Post by TJFOR3 on Aug 3, 2006 11:51:10 GMT -5
Becasue they havent done it
They didnt beat up on the Sox or Yanks like theyve been doing to the CHIsox
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Post by USN on Aug 3, 2006 12:08:08 GMT -5
I was just making the point that it doesn't matter what the payroll is... any team can beat any team... However the Red Sox and Yankees are just better.. payroll doesn't determine how good a team is.. for example the Cubs have a 94M payroll and they are going nowhere.. and the A's are at 62M and they are in contention to win their division
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