Buzz Killington
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Post by Buzz Killington on Aug 3, 2008 16:30:17 GMT -5
So you're saying that I shouldn't vote for the candidate who I think would be the best President, the candidate who most closely matches my beliefs, and should instead vote for the lesser of two evils?
That doesn't sound much like democracy to me.
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Post by Freak93 on Aug 3, 2008 17:07:29 GMT -5
I voted for Tom Morello in the primary election because I really didn't care for Obama or Clinton.
Also, I just want to say voting for a prominent third party candidate who won't win is better than not voting. The more political parties that are given decent chances the better. The two party system is pretty lame in my opinion.
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Post by Loki on Aug 3, 2008 17:36:34 GMT -5
So you're saying that I shouldn't vote for the candidate who I think would be the best President, the candidate who most closely matches my beliefs, and should instead vote for the lesser of two evils? That doesn't sound much like democracy to me. No I definitely didn't say that..nor did I say you COULDN'T which would then not sound like democracy. I said I don't care to vote for either of the two who actually have a chance and it'd be pointless for ME to vote for someone outside the two parties when I know they have no shot either. I don't care for them either anyway.. Definitely didn't say you couldn't or that you shouldn't, just that I wouldn't because it's completely pointless as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Aug 3, 2008 23:02:30 GMT -5
and this is why our voting system fails No its not. Just because I want to vote for someone and nothing will change why I want to vote for someone isn't why the system fails. It shows the exact principle this country was founded on, Freedom. Bama has the freedom to vote for who he wants, as does Keeper, so do I. Just because I've made my decision doesn't me any less of a citizen. It fails because the majority of voters are retards that dont do any research into the candidates, dont listen to anything about the issues, and refuse to allow their opinions to be open for consideration. Like you. A mass of ignorant voters is no better than flipping a coin to decide who wins and possibly even worse. |
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Buzz Killington
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Post by Buzz Killington on Aug 3, 2008 23:28:17 GMT -5
So you're saying that I shouldn't vote for the candidate who I think would be the best President, the candidate who most closely matches my beliefs, and should instead vote for the lesser of two evils? That doesn't sound much like democracy to me. No I definitely didn't say that..nor did I say you COULDN'T which would then not sound like democracy. I said I don't care to vote for either of the two who actually have a chance and it'd be pointless for ME to vote for someone outside the two parties when I know they have no shot either. I don't care for them either anyway.. Definitely didn't say you couldn't or that you shouldn't, just that I wouldn't because it's completely pointless as far as I'm concerned. Although you're not saying I shouldn't vote for who I think is the best candidate, but you're definitely indirectly insulting me for thinking that I should vote for the candidate who I think would be the best person for the job. Also, as long as people like you keep thinking like that, we're always gonna have the lesser-of-two-evils option. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm just tired of the Giant Douche - Turd Sandwich elections, is all. |
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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Aug 4, 2008 10:42:35 GMT -5
No its not. Just because I want to vote for someone and nothing will change why I want to vote for someone isn't why the system fails. It shows the exact principle this country was founded on, Freedom. Bama has the freedom to vote for who he wants, as does Keeper, so do I. Just because I've made my decision doesn't me any less of a citizen. It fails because the majority of voters are retards that dont do any research into the candidates, dont listen to anything about the issues, and refuse to allow their opinions to be open for consideration. Like you. A mass of ignorant voters is no better than flipping a coin to decide who wins and possibly even worse. I don't do any research on the candidates? How do you know? huh? how do you know I don't do any research on both McCain and Obama? I just stated that I WILL BE VOTING FOR OBAMA, BIG DEAL. Many people have already said they are.. I'm a liberal, I am democrat, I like Obama and his views, policies, and his ideas. I do not like McCain... Big whoop! Just because I already know who I want in office doesn't make me retarded or ignorant just makes me someone who has already picked their candidate. Thats like saying I'm a Ohio State fan but when someone from Michigan gives me their views on OSU that should automatically mean I should be open to liking Michigan also. Somethings won't happen. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Aug 4, 2008 10:48:32 GMT -5
Picking a candidate and then prematurely claiming you won't be changing your mind in the next four months regardless of what happens is the definition of ignorant since you have already stated you will be completely ignoring everything about the campaigns. And that act is very retarded.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Aug 4, 2008 10:58:36 GMT -5
No its not. Just because I want to vote for someone and nothing will change why I want to vote for someone isn't why the system fails. It shows the exact principle this country was founded on, Freedom. Bama has the freedom to vote for who he wants, as does Keeper, so do I. Just because I've made my decision doesn't me any less of a citizen. It fails because the majority of voters are retards that dont do any research into the candidates, dont listen to anything about the issues, and refuse to allow their opinions to be open for consideration. Like you. A mass of ignorant voters is no better than flipping a coin to decide who wins and possibly even worse. This is more of a symptom of the party mentalitiy imo. The guy's a democrat, therefore he fits my views and the other guy doesn't. So I'm voting Dem! This happens...a great deal on both sides. Though really a campaign is all about who can appear more likeable. The talking of the issues is just so they can appear like this is a serious game. Don't be fooled! I should probably note that, at this point in time, I'm planning to vote for John McCain. I would vote for Bob Barr but his history is way to sketchy for me. A huge backer of the War on Drugs while in congress, that is not going to get my vote. I wish the Libertarian party bothered to put up an actual Libertarian. How novel would that have been? I agree with McCain enough to stomach voting for him, and I can't say that about any other guy/girl in the running. |
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Post by USN on Aug 4, 2008 11:25:57 GMT -5
Obama would have to do a few things for him to get my vote.
1. Start acting like a capitalist
2. Realize that no one gives a damn that he's black
3. Let the military do their job.
4. Realize that has he no idea what it is like to be poor, or for that matter middle class.
5. Realize that taking money away from those that have it does not stimulate growth economically.
6. Stop giving history lessons about World War II
7. Stop telling me how I should live
8. Realize that nothing is free, even if you give it away
9. Stop being so arrogant
10. Realize that there isn't a thermostat for the planet
11. Understand that companies and businesses must be allowed to fail
12. Realize that $1000 is something no one will ever see
13. Realize that diplomacy with people who only understand violence is futile
Those are some of the things that he would have to do. If he did that among many, many other things then I might consider him. But the country's politics go in cycles, and it seems that people are in a hurry to put a Dem in office, which is a wreckless thing to do at this time. Historically they have downsized anything to deal with Defense. And as this campaign goes on Obama continues to prove that he is just another run of the mill socialist.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Aug 4, 2008 12:05:36 GMT -5
A few huh?  What you are basically saying is that if Obama turned into a neo-con than you'd be ok with voting for him? |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Aug 4, 2008 12:10:03 GMT -5
6. Stop giving history lessons about World War II Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. |
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Post by Chief Bstn on Aug 4, 2008 12:23:41 GMT -5
12. Realize that $1000 is something no one will ever see wat |
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Post by JacktheRipper on Aug 4, 2008 12:26:28 GMT -5
12. Realize that $1000 is something no one will ever see wat He's talking about an idea Obama brought up. Obama wans to take the oil companies' "windfall profits" and send everyone in America a $500 per single person and $1,000 per family. At least, that is what I think he is talking about. |
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Post by Chief Bstn on Aug 4, 2008 12:29:00 GMT -5
I hope so..
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Post by Keeper on Aug 10, 2008 0:33:42 GMT -5
I read through what I've missed and I'm not sure how much we'd accomplish if I do one of my stupid bit-by-bit responses. To be honest I'm pretty well done with the McCain-Obama back and forth, now that I am working on the campaign it is no longer any fun, haha.
Just to touch on a few things:
- Voting 3rd party is by no means useless. I would argue if anything, it is more useful. Every vote for an alternative party signals displeasure with the status quo. The best thing about Vermont politics is the legitimate 3rd party presence we have in our legislature.
- My comment on economics was red-flagged by a few people. We should probably have an economic discussion thread, my statement was in regards to the only way I see capitalism as a sustainable economic system that serves it's people as well as they deserve to be served. I am certainly not a trumpeter of the completely unrestrained market in the least bit.
- Talking points are boring.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Aug 10, 2008 1:33:55 GMT -5
Economics discussion? I want to play, but I'd rather not be Keeper and myself.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 10, 2008 12:18:03 GMT -5
Yeah it will be pretty boring to be honest, I will just re-iterate Marxist analysis of capitalism.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Aug 10, 2008 15:36:31 GMT -5
Yeah it will be pretty boring to be honest, I will just re-iterate Marxist analysis of capitalism. And I would just be throwing out free market talking points. Just a big circle jerk that'll get nothing done. |
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