Quinn or Russell?

[NoT25hAbY]

I understand a alarming majority of you hate Notre Dame and Brady Quinn with a passion... but with rivalries aside, whos better in your eyes?

In my eyes.. It's Quinn. And not because Ima ND fan. Here is my reasoning.

Brady Quinn was recruited in his Senior season in Highschool in 2002 and became a True Freshman startign Quarterback in 2003. He played Washington State(Ranked 15th), Michigan(Ranked 8th), Michigan State(Ranked 34th), Purdue(Ranked 22nd), Pittsburgh(Ranked 39th), Southern Cal(Ranked 2nd), Boston College(Ranked 37th) and Florida State(Ranked 6th) to start his career in his first 8 games. LSU was ranked 1st that season, the year JaMarcus Russel was recruited.

I'm not going to say he played well, he posted 9 Touchdowns and 15 Interceptions as a True Freshman.

In 2004, LSU began the season ranked 1st and Notre Dame began the season unranked. The Irish had a 78.02 Schedule rating and the LSU Tigers and a 73.00 Schedule Rating. Against the Top 10, both temas were 0-1 and against the Top 30 LSU went 2-3 and the Irish went 2-4.

Quinn finished the season with 17 Touchdowns and 10 Interceptions. Russel, spot starting as a True Freshman had 9 Touchdowns and 4 Interceptions playing in games LSU had already won.

By 2005, both were Full time Starters. LSU had gone 11-2 and were ranked 8th with a 73.42 Schedule Rating. Notre Dame went 9-3 and were ranked 9th with a 77.10 schedule Ranking. I will admit, the Tigers beat more teams who were ranked in the top 30 that season.

Russel had 15 Touchdowns and 9 Interceptions starting every game but the Championship game. Against the teams who were ranked in the top 30 he threw 5 Touchdowns and 6 Interceptions with a pass Percentage under 60%.

Quinn had 32 touchdowns and 7 Interceptions starting every game. Against teams who were ranked in the Top 30, he threw 14 Touchdowns 4 Interceptions and a passing percentage above 65% incuding a game he faced all-mighty Drew Stanton and the Michigan State Spartans where he threw 5 Touchdowns and 1 Interception.

Against the same team in 2005, JaMarcus Russel went 14-28 with an Interception and a 50% passer percentage against the Tennessee Volunteers. Quinn was 20-33 with 3 Touchdowns and a 60% passer percentage.

In 2006, LSU and Notre Dame were 10-2 with an(this for all of you who say they play cupcakes) even schedule ranking before the "Game of all Games" was played between the two. Obviously we all know ND went 10-3 while LSU improved to 11-2.

In '06 Quinn had 37 Touchdowns and 7 Interceptions while Russel had 28 Touchdowns and 8 Interceptions. Against Florida, Auburn and Tennessee Russell had 4 Touchdowns and 6 Interceptons. Against Michigan, UCLA and USC... Quinn had 8 Touchdowns and 3 Interceptions including a 3 Touchdown no Interception game against USC.

In drafts dating back to 2004, LSU has sent 10 players through the draft(Including 3 first rounders) and Notre Dame has sent 4. This year alone, LSU will have 3 players in the first round and the Irish will have Quinn. Notre Dame will be lucky to get 3 or 4 in the draft while LSU will push 7 to 8.

In conclusion.... Quinn and Russel have been put in similar situations, have gone through the same type of schedules and seen the same type of plays and in every way... Quinn has outplayed Russel. LSU's teams have been much more talented while Quinn gave Notre Dame all the media attention, not the teams talent.

Quinn benched 24 reps, hit 58 of 64 passes in his pro day and is expected to run in the 4-7's or 4.8's. Russels max according to Scout was 19 Reps, he's considerd very unaccurate with consecutive passes and is going to run the same 40 yard dash.

Even when profiled by the "so-called-experts"... They say Quinn has the professional grade talent but sometimes can make a bad throw. They mention Russel as an upside type player who forgets his head in the locker room and seems lost in games.

I'm not saying... but I am saying. In the time I spent writing this, I could have sent my Dynasty into the HOF haha

The fact of the matter is Russel with a better LSU team beat Quinn with a pretty shaky ND team and when it comes down to it... Russel seems cooler than Quinn, because the media has put Quinn in the spotlight so much... people are tired of him. How should that ever effect a players stock?

[Terps]

Russell has an absolute cannon of an arm. So he could be Jeff George, or he could be Carson Palmer.

[detroitbasketball]

No way I read all that.

Quinn I think is a more well-rounded QB and a better leader.

[Maize]

Quinn worked in a pro-style offense for his final few years in South Bend and adapted well to the system. He runs the offense very well, and you're right N2S, he wasn't working with as much talent but led them to a BCS bowl game (no matter if they deserved it or not). Oakland is currently leaning toward Calvin "Used Shoes" Johnson and if thats the case, I see Detroit taking Joe Thomas and both Cleveland and Tampa getting their QB of the future.

[detroitbasketball]

maizeandblue15 said:

Oakland is currently leaning toward Calvin "Used Shoes" Johnson

Where did you hear that?

[I am a huge CUNT]

Not that anyone cares, but just wanted to throw this in.

Drew Stanton had a very good combine. I guess he was very fast and both his arm strength and accuracy were good. It was in USA today.

Not saying he will be picked higher than these too, just wanted to let you know of something to watch.

[JacktheRipper]

Russell just has way more upside to me. Better arm (you can't debate that Russell has an amazing arm) and showed signs of really maturing the last few seasons. I knew he was good in 2005, when he sent me into a spiral of depression hitting a game winning pass against what was an amazing 05 Bama defense (Roman Harper, DeMeco Ryans, and Mark Anderson to name a few). From then on, he seemed to turn into a great quarterback.

If I'm looking for a quick fix and a quarterback to step in right now, it's Quinn. He's a more composed quarterback, and quite frankly is more polished right now. Russell is not a top pick, simply because I question his mental side and realize he's going to have problems getting a hold of the NFL game. He's going to be a great quarterback, but Quinn has to be the first pick.

Yeah, I'm taking Quinn.

[McGahee]

N2S, I could care less about how "Quinn was recruited" and such. Russell just reaks of potential. He could certainly bust, but he undoubtedly has 4000+ yard potential, and combined that with his size and athleticism, and he's too good to pass up for me.

And for the record, prior to this season, I drooled over Drew Stanton and prayed the Bills would draft him. I wasn't that impressed this year but if we were to pick a QB from the spot we're in, I might still want him. However, seeing how Losman appears to be Jesus to everyone in Buffalo, that's not going to happen...

[darjarbinx]

Go Josh Swogger!

[bearcat]

This is a VERY weak QB class this year. Past Quinn and Russell, and MAYBE Stanton, there just isn't very much. Trent Edwards could end up being good, but he was on his ass more at Stanford than he was on his feet.

Kiper has Matt Moore of Oregon State fifth on his draft board amongst QB's. I watched Moore play twice this year, once against Hawaii and against Mizzou in the Sun Bowl, and he's just not that good. He has good receivers that bail him out and make him look better than he really is. Plus, he has a poor attitude. He flopped to the ground after being bumped by a Tiger player in the bowl game and bitched to the refs about it.

As for the Quinn/Russell debate, I take Quinn. Russell may end up being better in the long run, but Quinn is your man right now.

[JackTheRipper]

I'm going to echo some of the other statements by saying: Quinn if I wanted the quick fix, Russell if i'm looking towards the future.

If Russell really is "Daunte Culpepper without the baggage" then he could be a top 5 QB. Throw in the fact that Brady Quinn has yet to come up when it matters and i'd take Russell first.

Also, Drury, JP seemed to be coming into his own towards the end of the year. I'd prefer we didn't mess with his confidence right now.

[bearcat]

jacktheripper said:

I'm going to echo some of the other statements by saying: Quinn if I wanted the quick fix, Russell if i'm looking towards the future.

If Russell really is "Daunte Culpepper without the baggage" then he could be a top 5 QB. Throw in the fact that Brady Quinn has yet to come up when it matters and i'd take Russell first.

The media magnifies what Quinn did in college because of who he plays for. Notre Dame is arguably the most visible program in the country, and usually the quarterback is the headliner, and therefore, takes the brunt of the criticism. It probably got to him at times.

There's no doubt in my mind that Quinn's skills translate much better to the NFL. Whether that remains to be seen, like you said, is a whole different thing.

[NoT25hAbY]

I dont see how one can have tremendous upside over the other? I cant see Russel being longterm and Quinn being short term.....

I can see Quinn starting earlier, but I would think they would both turn into good Quarterbacks. Saying Russel is longterm is like saying Quinn would be a stop gap type player and I dont beleive so.

I dont have a problem with JaMarcus at all, and had Quinn no been in this draft, he'd be my favored Quarterback. However, everytime I see him and how he acts...

Akili Smith

[Terps]

As I said earlier, Russell obviously has quite the upside. The way I look at it, if you want to make the "safe" pick, you go with Quinn, who SHOULD turn out to be at least an adequate starter. Russell could bust horribly, but as everyone has said, he's got a rocket of an arm.

That being said, the Raiders have the first overall pick. They picked a kicker (Sebastian Janikowski) in the first round, so I think they'll take Russell and the deep ball.

[JacktheRipper]

The upside in Russell comes from his physical skills. He's a huge quarterback with one of the strongest arms that I have ever seen. He could be one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to ever come out. He's just got to improve in a few places and he ought to be an amazing quarterback.

Quinn on the other hand, does not have the same physical skills. Therefore, I think Russell has more up side.

[Gary]

Zebransky.

[Cerrano39]

I trust my man Charlie, Quinn.

[NoT25hAbY]

Bama... what physicial skills are you talking about with Russel that Quinn doesn't have.

JaMarcus Russel is big... He is tall and a little fat. Besides that and his rocket arm, Brady Quinn is stronger and can run faster. The Physical skills and mental skills that count at the NFL level are heavily in favor of Quinn.

Look at it this way.... had Russel and Quinn never met in a horribly matched Suger Bowl... Russel wouldn't be the better "potential" quarterback or the first pick. People just beleive that a big black quarterback whos got a huge arm... has to be good.

Give Brady Quinn the LSU tigers and give Russel the Notre Dame Irish, and this is a different story all together.

[Sportsbuck]

Look there's no possible way that we can convince you that Russell is better simply because you are a Notre Dame fan. We're all hard-headed.

But Russell is better than Quinn, or at least he has the potential to be.

[NoT25hAbY]

I know ima Irish fan, but unless you can tell me why he has the potential to be... I cant come up with a reason myself.

I just wana know how a player who has amazing accuracy, poise in the pocket, has ran a professional style offense, is faster, is stronger, has carried a medicore team to consecutive BCS births and has dealt with the rediculous media in the fashion he has......

has more potential that a "feel good" quarterback from good old LSU.