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Post by nafsder2007 on Nov 12, 2004 22:40:45 GMT -5
He flip-flopped in overtime against the Pacers more than John Kerry did before the election. His amazing theatrical talents drew fouls on both Jermaine O'Neil and Jamaal Tinsley, fouling both out. Give this man an academy award for greatest flop in an NBA game. He even outflopped my favorite, the great Reggie Miller. On the O'Neil foul, a full second after barely knicking O'Neil's arm, AI took the flopped to the ground like a fish out of the water. Then, just minutes later, he managed to get Tinsley to fould out. The Question: Who can draw a charge with both feet off the ground? The Answer: The Answer. Those were some bad calls, not to mention the Artest flagrant where one camera angle showed him trying to avoid even making contact. If it had been any other player, it wouldn't have been a flagerant, and probably wouldn't have been a fould either.
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Post by Alex Confer on Nov 12, 2004 23:11:33 GMT -5
Dude, boo-hoo. He got the call, didn't he? NBA players sign a contract to entertain, and part of entertaining is acting. If you are in the position to win the game by eliminating the main threat in overtime, go for it.
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Post by Mvick7 on Nov 13, 2004 9:46:32 GMT -5
If a Ron Artest or Jermaine O'Neal acted to try and get fouls, I'm sure you would have posted on here venting your frusteration, and not see it from the side you just wrote about players entertaining. I'm sorry, but getting to the free throw lin is not entertaining, fans like to see high-tempo ball games, not some 1 guy drawing 'fake' fouls and slowing the entire game down, thats not entertainment, yet I must admit his buzzer-beater was pretty entertaining.  The guy shot 5-23 from the field, maybe if the man had a shot, he wouldn't need to goto the line 10-14 times a game. He often leads the league in scoring, but he still shoots high 30%. If I took as many shots as Iverson, hell, I could lead the NBA in scoring. |
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Post by nafsder2007 on Nov 13, 2004 9:50:56 GMT -5
Actually, seeing Allen Iverson flop and wave his arms and legs after barely being touched by O'Neil was very entertaining. I laughed at it for a while, but then I realized that it had been called a foul. The Tinsley one was just frustrating. I'm not a basketball expert, but don't both feet have to be planted and stay planted in order to draw a charge? If I'm incorrect, sorry, but I didn't think it was possible to draw a charge while in the air.
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Post by Mvick7 on Nov 13, 2004 9:56:11 GMT -5
Your correct with your assesment, 'both' feet must be on the floor the draw a charge.
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Post by Alex Confer on Nov 13, 2004 11:35:34 GMT -5
Quite the contrary. I love NBA basketball as much as anything, which means I respect and admire all the players that I feel do the work required to get a W. The point is, the league and players both are adjusting to new officiating rules which tighten reach-ins and post players trying to draw contact, so one side really can't be to blame when it comes to more offensive calls. Indiana gave Philly one hell of a run for its money, and I won't lie, my heart was racing as much as ever. But who is to say that Jermaine O'Neal, sitting on five fouls, wouldn't foul out next trip down the floor? For God's sake, this was 30 seconds into overtime...
Apparently ya'll don't understand the Jamaal Tinsley call (that rhymes). As AI stood there with his hands UP, which signifies that he waives the right to further defend the shot and instead opts to draw contact, Jamaal squared his elbow, lowered his shoulder, and plowed into Iverson BEFORE releasing the shot. Hello, that's definitely an offensive foul. Nine times out of time you will get called for that if your defender is idle and their hands are straight up.
Along with this, I assume you all mean the other key foul, the flagrant on Artest when Josh Davis drove to the hoop. BS? No, because a flagrant foul is defined as one without intent to strip or impede the movement of the ball, but disrupt the opponent's landing and/or takeoff in post plays. "Rapper" took out Davis' legs...he should have been ejected.
What ya'll must grasp is that certain players get certain calls, it has always happened and always will. AI's absortion of contact is different than that of say Artest...much bigger, stronger, etc. It's all about context when it comes to fouls (except for flagrants). Sixers may have been better at acting, but excuse me, did the Pacers walk out with the win?
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Post by detroitbasketball on Nov 13, 2004 11:45:43 GMT -5
Quite the contrary. I love NBA basketball as much as anything, which means I respect and admire all the players that I feel do the work required to get a W. The point is, the league and players both are adjusting to new officiating rules which tighten reach-ins and post players trying to draw contact, so one side really can't be to blame when it comes to more offensive calls. Indiana gave Philly one hell of a run for its money, and I won't lie, my heart was racing as much as ever. But who is to say that Jermaine O'Neal, sitting on five fouls, wouldn't foul out next trip down the floor? For God's sake, this was 30 seconds into overtime... Apparently ya'll don't understand the Jamaal Tinsley call (that rhymes). As AI stood there with his hands UP, which signifies that he waives the right to further defend the shot and instead opts to draw contact, Jamaal squared his elbow, lowered his shoulder, and plowed into Iverson BEFORE releasing the shot. Hello, that's definitely an offensive foul. Nine times out of time you will get called for that if your defender is idle and their hands are straight up. Along with this, I assume you all mean the other key foul, the flagrant on Artest when Josh Davis drove to the hoop. BS? No, because a flagrant foul is defined as one without intent to strip or impede the movement of the ball, but disrupt the opponent's landing and/or takeoff in post plays. "Rapper" took out Davis' legs...he should have been ejected. What ya'll must grasp is that certain players get certain calls, it has always happened and always will. AI's absortion of contact is different than that of say Artest...much bigger, stronger, etc. It's all about context when it comes to fouls (except for flagrants). Sixers may have been better at acting, but excuse me, did the Pacers walk out with the win? PWNED BY THE NBA MOD |
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Post by Alex Confer on Nov 13, 2004 11:54:16 GMT -5
If a Ron Artest or Jermaine O'Neal acted to try and get fouls, I'm sure you would have posted on here venting your frusteration, and not see it from the side you just wrote about players entertaining. I'm sorry, but getting to the free throw lin is not entertaining, fans like to see high-tempo ball games, not some 1 guy drawing 'fake' fouls and slowing the entire game down, thats not entertainment, yet I must admit his buzzer-beater was pretty entertaining. The guy shot 5-23 from the field, maybe if the man had a shot, he wouldn't need to goto the line 10-14 times a game. He often leads the league in scoring, but he still shoots high 30%. If I took as many shots as Iverson, hell, I could lead the NBA in scoring. Oh, so just disregard the fact that he shot better than 45% in the first five games? Perfect example of judging a guy on one bad contest. Don't forget, he did make that game-winner... |
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Post by sixerz2k4 on Nov 13, 2004 14:12:33 GMT -5
FACT
Iverson acted to get O'Neal fouled out.
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Iverson had a terrible field goal percentage.
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There were questiionable calls both ways. Mark Jackson was charged with a charge when he made no contact with a Pacer, and Iverson's acting were examples.
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The Sixers would not have won without Iverson. 5 for 23 sucks, but a game-winning shot and good passes over-ride that dismal percentage.
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Kyle Korver should win MVP for the season just because of that night (not really, but he kicked ass). 6 three pointers including one just before regulation ended to tie it up. Anyone that makes my mom pee her pants from getting so excited must be good. He'll be in the ranks of AI and Eric Milton.
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Post by nafsder2007 on Nov 13, 2004 16:33:24 GMT -5
Quite the contrary. I love NBA basketball as much as anything, which means I respect and admire all the players that I feel do the work required to get a W. The point is, the league and players both are adjusting to new officiating rules which tighten reach-ins and post players trying to draw contact, so one side really can't be to blame when it comes to more offensive calls. Indiana gave Philly one hell of a run for its money, and I won't lie, my heart was racing as much as ever. But who is to say that Jermaine O'Neal, sitting on five fouls, wouldn't foul out next trip down the floor? For God's sake, this was 30 seconds into overtime... Apparently ya'll don't understand the Jamaal Tinsley call (that rhymes). As AI stood there with his hands UP, which signifies that he waives the right to further defend the shot and instead opts to draw contact, Jamaal squared his elbow, lowered his shoulder, and plowed into Iverson BEFORE releasing the shot. Hello, that's definitely an offensive foul. Nine times out of time you will get called for that if your defender is idle and their hands are straight up. Along with this, I assume you all mean the other key foul, the flagrant on Artest when Josh Davis drove to the hoop. BS? No, because a flagrant foul is defined as one without intent to strip or impede the movement of the ball, but disrupt the opponent's landing and/or takeoff in post plays. "Rapper" took out Davis' legs...he should have been ejected. What ya'll must grasp is that certain players get certain calls, it has always happened and always will. AI's absortion of contact is different than that of say Artest...much bigger, stronger, etc. It's all about context when it comes to fouls (except for flagrants). Sixers may have been better at acting, but excuse me, did the Pacers walk out with the win? Umm...AI's hands were up because he was defending the shot. If he had his hands up to draw a charge, then should have had his feet planted firmly on the floor. He was faked out by Tinsley. The jumped, with his hands up to block it. Tinsley jumped to take the shot, and they made contact in air. As for Artests flagrant, replays showed him trying to keep his arms from touching. One of the replay angles looked as if he was going to hug him, but then pulled his arms back away before they touched his body. And one of the reasons the sixers won was because they acted better. They fouled out 2 of the Pacers most important players on weak calls. And what if, between O'Neil possibly fouling out the following sixers possession, he scored a field goal. That would have changed the game, making the final score end with the Sixers down by 2. |
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Post by sixerz2k4 on Nov 14, 2004 10:07:45 GMT -5
As for Artests flagrant, replays showed him trying to keep his arms from touching. One of the replay angles looked as if he was going to hug him, but then pulled his arms back away before they touched his body. Um, Davis went flying. He'd have to be a gymnist to do that without getting fouled. And one of the reasons the sixers won was because they acted better. They fouled out 2 of the Pacers most important players on weak calls. And what if, between O'Neil possibly fouling out the following sixers possession, he scored a field goal. That would have changed the game, making the final score end with the Sixers down by 2. The outcome wouldn't neccesary have the Sixers lose by 2. If no call was made, everything would have changed. There could be a different foul, or the timing would change, so the Sixers wouldn't have waited till the last seconds when they were down by 4 to shoot a two pointer. And I think the O'Neal foul out was the only questionable one. Those charges were definitely charges IMO. |
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Post by nafsder2007 on Nov 16, 2004 20:08:00 GMT -5
I believe I read today that Artest's flagrant was overturned by the NBA. Too bad the decision wasn't made during the game, could have changed the outcome.
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Post by Alex Confer on Nov 16, 2004 20:10:39 GMT -5
Could have, but what can we do about it? Sixers won, that's that.
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Post by LjSnUo on Nov 16, 2004 20:14:13 GMT -5
my last name is O'Neal
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