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Post by bravest on Nov 21, 2005 19:43:38 GMT -5
No real surprise here:
Josh Becket and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox for Anibal Sanchez, Hanley Ramirez and PTBNL. This all pending physicals. This was confirmed by Peter Gammons on ESPN.
Hanley's a huge prospect, but it's known that he's not mature enough to start for another two years or so. Also, this deal pretty much marks the end of the rumored deal with Texas that was on the verge of breaking.
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Post by Cerrano39 on Nov 21, 2005 19:49:19 GMT -5
Well, I like Beckett over any of the FA pitchers. I guess this means Mueller is gone most likely. Which is a shame because I really like him. If Lowell returns to his 2002-2004 form I'll be very happy. The Green Monster could do it.
I'm not too sold on Hanley because he seems to have never really made strides. I don't like giving up Anibal though.
Kind of interesting because we don't have a GM...
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Post by detroitbasketball on Nov 21, 2005 20:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by dkgojackets on Nov 21, 2005 20:52:36 GMT -5
F Loria
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Post by bravest on Nov 22, 2005 0:13:42 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why Boston made this deal other than to acquire pitching in Clement. I mean, Youkilis can start for them any day now, and having three viable options there can't be good (especially when one has a massive contract - Lowell).
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Post by Cerrano39 on Nov 22, 2005 0:35:15 GMT -5
Anytime you have a chance to get a 25 year old who can throw it 95+, you do it. Mueller is probably gone and Youkilis could take over at first.
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Post by Colossus Burgers on Nov 22, 2005 14:30:35 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why Boston made this deal other than to acquire pitching in Clement. I mean, Youkilis can start for them any day now, and having three viable options there can't be good (especially when one has a massive contract - Lowell). Awesome, we're getting Clement..again  But yeah, Youkilis is a pretty nifty player. Third, first and catcher I think he can play. Solidly at all, too. |
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Post by Cerrano39 on Nov 22, 2005 14:35:01 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why Boston made this deal other than to acquire pitching in Clement. I mean, Youkilis can start for them any day now, and having three viable options there can't be good (especially when one has a massive contract - Lowell). Awesome, we're getting Clement..again But yeah, Youkilis is a pretty nifty player. Third, first and catcher I think he can play. Solidly at all, too. Come on Bstn, Beckett is much better than Clement. Younger too. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Nov 22, 2005 14:56:57 GMT -5
I hope Beckett gives Loria a clear view of that blister on his middle finger as he leaves.
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Post by Colossus Burgers on Nov 22, 2005 16:07:07 GMT -5
Awesome, we're getting Clement..again But yeah, Youkilis is a pretty nifty player. Third, first and catcher I think he can play. Solidly at all, too. Come on Bstn, Beckett is much better than Clement. Younger too. I know, I was saying that bravest made a mistake I don't like the trade- only because giving up two of the best young prospects right now isn't really smart. We're going to be worse than the Yankees in a couple years, trading away the future. Hanley wasn't making strides, but he was still doing well in AA. Sanchez is supposed to really be something in the future, and Beckett has been bothered by injuries if I'm not mistaken. |
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Post by Cerrano39 on Nov 22, 2005 16:21:26 GMT -5
About the prospects. If Hanley is so well thought of, why sign Edgar Renteria? The hype around Ramirez has been enormous in Boston and it would have been hard to live up to it, no matter how good he was. The signing makes me wonder if something was missing. He's still not ready for the majors according the talent scouts as he still has hands like rocks (the reason for a rumored move to CF).
Sanchez is nice but we still have Papelbon and Lester, who are better than either prospect in my opinion. While still young, he hasn't pitched above AA and Hanley hasn't batted above .300 in a level above AA. Not saying they won't develop, but there are myriads of prospects that just don't pan out.
Beckett is proven, and 25.
We aren't trading away the future. Theo has filled the farm system with prospects. I know they all won't pan out, but if you look at the list (Papelbon, Lester, Hansen, Pedroia, Delcarmen, Shoppach, Murphy, Moss, Ellsbury, Bucholz, and Lowrie). In a market like Boston, where you need a contender year in and year out, you are going to need to trade some prospects.
In my eyes, it still comes down to the fact that Boston is receiving two players who have proved themselves for two that haven't.
And about Lowell, I really think he will rebound. He's a Gold Glover, which, while Mueller is nice, is something we haven't had. The reason I'm opptimistic about Lowell is he still had 36 doubles and his K rate didn't rise. I don't see the 'roid theory applying as this man already had testicular cancer. However, I've heard speculation that he may have had to stop taking testerone replacement (common in rehab) because of the new rules. He was good in a pitchers ballpark, I see him to turn it around in a hitters.
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Post by Colossus Burgers on Nov 22, 2005 17:05:06 GMT -5
Delcarmen is being tried as a releiver, and from what I'm seeing, he isn't going to be that great. Shoppach isn't really a monster on offense, and that's all from them But every team has about 5 minor league teams, and we can only list about 10 that are doing good NOW. Being good in the minors doesn't mean they'll be good in the majors, and I don't think half of those people will be good in the majors. Hanley never played above AA level (except for what, 2 at bats this season for Boston?), so you can't really say anything about that. Renteria was signed because Hanley wasn't ready, but even then people were saying the Edgar signing was iffy. I'm not sure he's going to stay in Boston for a while. Lowell will do good, but I like Mueller better. Mueller plays gold glove calibur defense, but because of his bat (say what you will, offense matters), he doesn't get noticed. Beckett is good, but I think Anibal will be better in time. I agree with trading for the two people, but not for the prospects they gave up. Pedroia plays short too, and is pretty good. They should of dealt him. |
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Post by Cerrano39 on Nov 22, 2005 19:35:07 GMT -5
Pedroia has performed much better, but he will interest many people because he doesn't have the potential that Hanley has.
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Post by Jami on Nov 22, 2005 21:29:53 GMT -5
About the prospects. If Hanley is so well thought of, why sign Edgar Renteria? The hype around Ramirez has been enormous in Boston and it would have been hard to live up to it, no matter how good he was. The signing makes me wonder if something was missing. He's still not ready for the majors according the talent scouts as he still has hands like rocks (the reason for a rumored move to CF). Sanchez is nice but we still have Papelbon and Lester, who are better than either prospect in my opinion. While still young, he hasn't pitched above AA and Hanley hasn't batted above .300 in a level above AA. Not saying they won't develop, but there are myriads of prospects that just don't pan out. Beckett is proven, and 25. We aren't trading away the future. Theo has filled the farm system with prospects. I know they all won't pan out, but if you look at the list (Papelbon, Lester, Hansen, Pedroia, Delcarmen, Shoppach, Murphy, Moss, Ellsbury, Bucholz, and Lowrie). In a market like Boston, where you need a contender year in and year out, you are going to need to trade some prospects. In my eyes, it still comes down to the fact that Boston is receiving two players who have proved themselves for two that haven't. And about Lowell, I really think he will rebound. He's a Gold Glover, which, while Mueller is nice, is something we haven't had. The reason I'm opptimistic about Lowell is he still had 36 doubles and his K rate didn't rise. I don't see the 'roid theory applying as this man already had testicular cancer. However, I've heard speculation that he may have had to stop taking testerone replacement (common in rehab) because of the new rules. He was good in a pitchers ballpark, I see him to turn it around in a hitters. Read Bill Simmons much?  Great trade for the Red Sox, but I feel bad for Marlins fans. They can't get the FL state goverment to allow them to build a stadium of their own, the team is starting another fire sale, and it was also announced that unless they suddenly get a new stadium by 2008, Loria will move the team. All this for a team that won 2 World Series in like 5 or 6 years. |
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Post by bravest on Nov 22, 2005 22:41:16 GMT -5
I remember hearing about Hanley Ramirez getting shifted to the outfield (it's a reasonable prediction, believe it or not - not only are the Sox getting ready to lose out on Damon, they have no need for a speedy guy with some pop at short with Renteria in town.
As for Youkilis, you'll need him at first, but I don't see him playing catcher anymore. You might need to swap up Olerud, Millar, and Youk until the first two retire or find their way out of Boston, but that third baseman situation (Mueller, Lowell) looks pretty scary from Theo Epstein's SABRmetric view.
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Post by Colossus Burgers on Nov 23, 2005 7:28:43 GMT -5
No doubt he's not going to catch, but if V-Tek or Belli ever go down and Shoppach needs a day off, it wouldn't suprise me to have him in there.
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