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Post by Freak93 on Jan 6, 2007 10:50:27 GMT -5
This should be interesting.
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Chief Bstn
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Post by Chief Bstn on Jan 6, 2007 12:17:39 GMT -5
He's in until it's PROVEN he's taken steroids.
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Sportsbuck
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 6, 2007 13:03:31 GMT -5
I agree with Bstn.
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Maize
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Post by Maize on Jan 6, 2007 16:38:09 GMT -5
Even so, its a no....
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Post by wiskyisback on Jan 7, 2007 3:45:19 GMT -5
so someone who breaks a record that was held for what seemed like a lifetime, and carries his team for years doesn't deserve to be in the HOF? The guy has jacked more homeruns than most people could even dream of.
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Post by Abbie on Jan 7, 2007 12:37:29 GMT -5
I think he should be in. Even if he did take steroids, most people in the major leagues of any sport probably do it also.
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Post by detroitbasketball on Jan 7, 2007 12:39:22 GMT -5
I think he should be in. Even if he did take steroids, most people in the major leagues of any sport probably do it also. So because everyone else does it, it's OK?
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Maize
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Post by Maize on Jan 7, 2007 14:59:29 GMT -5
Big Mac and Swingin' Sammy were the two players that will become synonimous with the steroid era. The records are great, fantastic, but besides homeruns and slugging percentage, the numbers aren't that good. The cloud that surrounds him will keep him out, watch the next few years for many old time guys get in, while the guys that are just joining the list will have a while to wait. He might one day find himself in the hall, but it will be many decades in the future.
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bravest
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Post by bravest on Jan 7, 2007 15:49:35 GMT -5
So because everyone else does it, it's OK? Yes.
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Terps
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Post by Terps on Jan 7, 2007 17:31:01 GMT -5
I voted no just to tie it up at the time.
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Post by theimperfect on Jan 9, 2007 17:18:05 GMT -5
Yes I would.
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McGahee
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Post by McGahee on Jan 9, 2007 20:16:41 GMT -5
Didn't he admit that he was taking supplements that, while at the time weren't illegal, were steroids? So from what I understand, he has taken steroids, he hasn't done it illegally... I think...
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JackTheRipper
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Post by JackTheRipper on Jan 10, 2007 9:46:56 GMT -5
There are notorious cheaters and bad men in the hall (Cobb being the most prominent), so what's the harm in another one?
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Post by Cerrano39 on Jan 10, 2007 10:23:43 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you this, he will never get in unless the Veterans' Committee elects him. There is no way he will ever change half the electorates vote.
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Loki
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Post by Loki on Jan 10, 2007 10:56:42 GMT -5
McGwire deserves to be in. That's all. All the a-holes who didn't vote him in need to get over themselves or else no one from like the mid 1980s on is going to ever get in the Hall.
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Post by bearcat on Jan 10, 2007 12:23:47 GMT -5
He was a one-dimensional player, but I don't think you keep him out until he's proven that he was on the stuff like others have said. Even then, he's one of the two guys that essentially brought baseball back to respectability, along with Sammy Sosa in 1998 with the chase for 61.
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Loki
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Post by Loki on Jan 10, 2007 13:52:04 GMT -5
He was a one-dimensional player, but I don't think you keep him out until he's proven that he was on the stuff like others have said. Even then, he's one of the two guys that essentially brought baseball back to respectability, along with Sammy Sosa in 1998 with the chase for 61. Exactly. Baseball was falling off fast until the chase for 61 got going, then everyone was watching to see who would hit one next.
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Post by Buzz Killington on Jan 10, 2007 14:26:48 GMT -5
I don't give a rat's ass about Mark McGuire.
And I would not vote him in. He's not an all-star player because he had only, what, 2 really good years? Not really HOF quality.
Guilty until proven innocent, mis huevos. For one reason: Do you want a proven roider in the Hall of Fame? Didn't think so.
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bearcat
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Post by bearcat on Jan 10, 2007 14:39:39 GMT -5
Two really good years?
He hit 30+ HR twelve times, and over 40 six times. Six times 100+ ribbies.
Not to mention 35-45 HR/season in the 80's and early 90's were a lot.
Oh, and I'm not disputing if he roided or not. I'm just saying he had more than just two good years, as you noted in your post, usma.
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JackTheRipper
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Post by JackTheRipper on Jan 10, 2007 16:56:46 GMT -5
There's obviously something wrong with the selection and voting process if guys like the Babe, Christy Matthewson, Willie Mays, Teddy Ballgame, etc didn't get unanimous selections.
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