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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 18, 2008 11:13:04 GMT -5
Frankly I don't mind seeing research for energy slowed down if we were making strides in medical fields, like curing cancer or Aids. I'd rather have cheap energy and have a better standard of living throughout my life than a cure for cancer. |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jun 18, 2008 11:16:30 GMT -5
I second that.
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Post by USN on Jun 25, 2008 1:40:29 GMT -5
Obama's economic programs would land us in a deep and long recession as he drove capital out by doubling the tax on it. His health care policies would pay for federally subsidized insurance for 12 million illegal immigrants, forcing the rest of us to wait in line for our health care – and often to be denied needed procedures because of “objective criteria” applied by federal regulators.
His comments about forcing anti-terror investigators to proceed as would regular criminal prosecutors ignores the fact that we do not seek to prosecute, but only to prevent terror attacks, and would burden our homeland security people, slowing them down so we get hit again.
That alone should deter people from not voting for Obama. As a conservative I would rather have someone else than McCain, I voted for Romney in the primary, but Obama is more radical than the people at Media Matters tell us.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 25, 2008 8:42:20 GMT -5
Obama's economic programs would land us in a deep and long recession as he drove capital out by doubling the tax on it. What does this even mean? He's doubling the tax on what? Yeah the cap on the payroll tax is going to be taken off (effecting anyone who earns more than 124K ish a year) and the higher brackets would have their income taxes raised (I'm talking anyone who makes like 300K a year...not sure of the specific cutoff). Most people would have income taxes cut under the Obama plan. What's actually going to land us in a recession is inflation and the housing market crash. The President has little say over how the economy goes in all honesty. Oh noes! Drop the illegal immigrant crap it's just a scare tactic to make Obama's healthcare plan sound bad. I don't want socialized healthcare. I lived with it when I lived in England and well wasn't a fan. Still I think the government needs to expand healthcare to the poor who don't have it. Just something for necessary scripts and operations. I fear it's too expensive and really don't like our government invovled in something like this, but it's almost needed the way things are today. My dad, a staunch Reagan type conservative agreed. That says it all for me. Bullshit. We don't have the means to prevent a terrorist attack now. The only good news is that terrorist like to hit symbolic places here. Suicide bombing a Wal-Mart would be pretty damn easy. Even then, Obama's plan will not effect how effective our homeland security people are. Quit playing with these talking points designed to scare people. Obama's got some serious lapses in foreign policy. I don't think he'll be able to effectively deal with Iran. It's going to take some hardnosed approach. He doesn't have it in him IMO. To say his policies will lead to another terrorist attack though is foolish. Yeah I agree with that much. By the time the primary rolled around for me it came down to McCain or Paul. I went with Mr. Paul because well...he wants to legalize weed and that was good enough for me at that point. Honestly though, this field of Pubs was weak this year. Romney was the only true "conservative" but he was way too much on the right on social issues for me to buy into him. Out of all of them though, I think Romney would have made the best President. McCain's not bad though. He's a hawk on foreign policy and wants to lower taxes. The two things I want a Republican to do for me. |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jun 25, 2008 9:51:40 GMT -5
Obama's plan would land us in a deep and long recession? We're already in one dammit.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 25, 2008 10:14:06 GMT -5
Obama's plan would land us in a deep and long recession? We're already in one dammit. We're in a slowdown, but we haven't hit a recession yet. That is defined by two consecuative quarters of negative GDP growth. Last quarter we had positive growth. We're moving in the wrong direction and I've kind of been waiting on one since last summer. The Fed bailed us out earlier this year, but things are going to fall apart when they have to raise rates to fight off our inflation. Yeah though...this isn't something the President is going to matter much in. Really a POTUS is only good for three things: using the veto pen on dumb bills, appointing SCOTUS judges (Stevens is 88 I think, so at least one appointee next go round), and the comander in chief of the military. |
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Post by USN on Jun 25, 2008 14:48:47 GMT -5
He will double the capital gains tax is what I meant. He will create a two tier system where there will be the tax payers and the tax eaters. Only a minority will pay taxes and the majority won't. That is essentially wealth redistribution, also known as socialism.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 25, 2008 15:10:59 GMT -5
He will double the capital gains tax is what I meant. He will create a two tier system where there will be the tax payers and the tax eaters. Only a minority will pay taxes and the majority won't. That is essentially wealth redistribution, also known as socialism. Only a minority get capital gains (which I should have known you were talking about from the start btw) so it's not fair to paint it in such light. Now, I agree that he shouldn't do that. It'll keep people from investing, a key part of our economy. That's actually one of the worst ideas I've heard him come out with. That's not technically socialism though. We'd have to expand programs like welfare a great deal. That is just the government taking taxes to pay for their wasteful spending. So they're not playing Robin Hood here, they're just stealing from the rich. |
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Post by USN on Jun 25, 2008 16:08:44 GMT -5
it will also hit 50% of Americans who own stock
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 25, 2008 16:29:56 GMT -5
it will also hit 50% of Americans who own stock The vast majority who own it through their 401Ks and aren't going to touch it. Remember, you only pay taxes if you sell it. That stat paints this issue wrong IMO. Here's the thing, I haven't really disagreed with anything you've had to say. I just hate the GOP spin that's on your talking points. Talking about terrorist attacks if Obama is elected and throwing in illegal immigrants into the healthcare arena (they get free healthcare anyway, it's called an ER) is intellectually weak. Attack the position on why it's wrong. I just get annoyed by the spin the right likes to put on things. The left is guilty but not to the same hyperbolic level. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jun 25, 2008 16:57:28 GMT -5
eventually ill take over the country and become dictator and then well get our shit together and dominate the world
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