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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 15:07:14 GMT -5
Utah deserves to be the champion after finishing undefeated with 4 wins over top 25 teams 3 out of 4 ranked opponents at home, 1 at neutral site. It all comes down to scheduling and the one win that Utah has that actually means something in the regular season was Oregon State. TCU didn't play shit all year until Boise. Boise didn't win shit except for Oregon who really wasn't playing well at the time, and BYU was overrated from the start. So basically, all Utah had to do was beat TCU and BYU, two overrated teams in my opinion, and Oregon State which I think is their only impressive win only because the Beavers beat USC. OSU still isn't that good. Utah caught Bama off guard like most non-bcs teams do. Bama didn't take them seriously and lost. Bama's own fault. They also didn't have their best OL, so that didn't help with the pressure Utah was getting. I give Utah credit for winning, but I do not consider them national champions or deserving of the #1 ranking because of the easy road they took to be undefeated. And do not tell me that these teams can't be blamed for their schedules. Yes they can. 4 BCS busters at beginning of the year: BYU OOC- Northern Iowa, Washington, UCLA Boise St OOC- Idaho St, Bowling Green, Southern Miss, Oregon TCU OOC- Stephen F Austin, Stanford, SMU, Oklahoma Utah OOC- Michigan, Weber State, Oregon State Not exactly the strongest OOC schedules. Hawaii had the same problem the year before which is why I didn't want them in the NC. Look what happened to them. |
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Post by Loki on Jan 3, 2009 15:16:27 GMT -5
That's the sole reason you need a playoff. Some non-BCS teams can hold their own vs. BCS schools while a team like Hawaii last year could not. You need proof and one game where you see Utah (now 2-0 in BCS Bowls) beat a team that was #1 all year and then left with nothing for it isn't fair. Especially if the NC turns out to be a blow out either way. All it would take is proper structure and if a team like Utah could tear through, hypothetically, Alabama, then Virginia Tech, then Idk...Texas, and then make it to the National Championship..how could you argue with them being there? Whereas, we have an argument alone on which Big 12 team should be in the game this year b/c of the BCS system.
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 15:25:41 GMT -5
But the point is, teams like Utah wouldn't really even be in the discussion had they played better teams in the OOC.
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Post by Loki on Jan 3, 2009 15:30:07 GMT -5
But the point is, teams like Utah wouldn't really even be in the discussion had they played better teams in the OOC. I think Alabama begs to differ... |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 15:47:56 GMT -5
Do you really think if this game was played over again that Utah would win?
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 3, 2009 16:05:07 GMT -5
JPW is... is... well, lets just say I'd take Justin Feagin over him. Ok SB now your getting a head of yourself. Settle down. Bama went undefeated in SEC play until they lost to Florida. That's still impressive IMO. They just had the case of BCS hangover. Its not really impressive when the SEC has its worst year in years.... only real challenge was Florida. |
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Post by Loki on Jan 3, 2009 16:05:35 GMT -5
Do you really think if this game was played over again that Utah would win? I think it'd be 50/50 if they played 100 times..Utah wasn't some gimmick, that was the same game they would've played any other day and they showed they could compete with Alabama. I think it's fair to say they would beat Virginia Tech and Cincinnati too. |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 3, 2009 16:10:28 GMT -5
Do you really think if this game was played over again that Utah would win? I think it'd be 50/50 if they played 100 times..Utah wasn't some gimmick, that was the same game they would've played any other day and they showed they could compete with Alabama. I think it's fair to say they would beat Virginia Tech and Cincinnati too. They would absolutely beat Alabama again... because Alabama has the worst DB's of any of the BCS teams and has only one threat on offense. Coffee is a good RB but he can't carry the team and it took 5 Utes to tackle Julio Jones whenever he got his hands on the ball. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 3, 2009 16:55:41 GMT -5
Utah deserves to be the champion after finishing undefeated with 4 wins over top 25 teams 3 out of 4 ranked opponents at home, 1 at neutral site. It all comes down to scheduling and the one win that Utah has that actually means something in the regular season was Oregon State. TCU didn't play shit all year until Boise. Boise didn't win shit except for Oregon who really wasn't playing well at the time, and BYU was overrated from the start. So basically, all Utah had to do was beat TCU and BYU, two overrated teams in my opinion, and Oregon State which I think is their only impressive win only because the Beavers beat USC. OSU still isn't that good. Utah caught Bama off guard like most non-bcs teams do. Bama didn't take them seriously and lost. Bama's own fault. They also didn't have their best OL, so that didn't help with the pressure Utah was getting. I give Utah credit for winning, but I do not consider them national champions or deserving of the #1 ranking because of the easy road they took to be undefeated. And do not tell me that these teams can't be blamed for their schedules. Yes they can. 4 BCS busters at beginning of the year: BYU OOC- Northern Iowa, Washington, UCLA Boise St OOC- Idaho St, Bowling Green, Southern Miss, Oregon TCU OOC- Stephen F Austin, Stanford, SMU, Oklahoma Utah OOC- Michigan, Weber State, Oregon State Not exactly the strongest OOC schedules. Hawaii had the same problem the year before which is why I didn't want them in the NC. Look what happened to them. you really dont know much about college football scheduling do you. Utah cant just call in to the NCAA offices and say that they want to play Texas and USC next year. Theres a huge difference between Hawaii last year who played a schedule worse than a good chunk of 1-AA teams and Utah. Basically your argument is that every team outside the bcs is overrated and when they win its because the other team wasnt ready. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 3, 2009 16:59:37 GMT -5
But the point is, teams like Utah wouldn't really even be in the discussion had they played better teams in the OOC. have you seen the OOC schedules of the other bcs teams? Id say Utah is right around the middle in terms of difficulty. |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 17:01:56 GMT -5
have you seen the OOC schedules of the other bcs teams? Id say Utah is right around the middle in terms of difficulty. The BCS teams don't need to schedule tough. They have difficult enough conferences to make up for it. Utah has nothing in their conference. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 3, 2009 17:14:31 GMT -5
have you seen the OOC schedules of the other bcs teams? Id say Utah is right around the middle in terms of difficulty. The BCS teams don't need to schedule tough. They have difficult enough conferences to make up for it. Utah has nothing in their conference. no, you think they have nothing in their conference Mountain West is 6-1 vs the Pac 10 this season, but you wouldnt have a problem with an undefeated USC winning the championship would you? |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 18:52:45 GMT -5
you wouldnt have a problem with an undefeated USC winning the championship would you? I don't think anyone would. |
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Post by Loki on Jan 3, 2009 19:05:16 GMT -5
you wouldnt have a problem with an undefeated USC winning the championship would you? I don't think anyone would. So you just proved his point. |
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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Jan 3, 2009 20:22:15 GMT -5
if you wanna go weak opponents route lets look at Utah, Florida and Oklahoma's FCS teams they played.
Weber State (Utah) went 10-4
The Citadel (Florida) went 4-8
Chattanooga (Oklahoma) went 1-11
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 20:56:42 GMT -5
if you wanna go weak opponents route lets look at Utah, Florida and Oklahoma's FCS teams they played. Weber State (Utah) went 10-4 The Citadel (Florida) went 4-8 Chattanooga (Oklahoma) went 1-11 Yeah because Weber State would really give UF and OU a tough time.  |
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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Jan 3, 2009 21:17:44 GMT -5
if you wanna go weak opponents route lets look at Utah, Florida and Oklahoma's FCS teams they played. Weber State (Utah) went 10-4 The Citadel (Florida) went 4-8 Chattanooga (Oklahoma) went 1-11 Yeah because Weber State would really give UF and OU a tough time. I'm not saying they would but if you want to use weak opponents lets look at something the top 3 teams have in common the FCS teams they played this season. |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 3, 2009 21:27:16 GMT -5
I'm not saying they would but if you want to use weak opponents lets look at something the top 3 teams have in common the FCS teams they played this season. But the thing is, UF and OU can get away with doing that. Teams like Utah cannot afford to do that if they want to be considered for a national title. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 3, 2009 22:17:56 GMT -5
why is that? Florida's conference schedule was no stronger than Utah this year.
I also dont think you understand how difficult it is for a team like Utah to schedule major opponents year in and year out. The michigan game was five years ago when the wolverines were a perennial 10 win team coming off a rose bowl trip, thats as tough as its going to get. Oregon state has been an 8 or 9 win team as well lately and was again solid this year. Every team in the country is gonna schedule a couple cupcakes to tune up for the season, some (TT and most SEC teams for example) schedule four.
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 3, 2009 23:37:43 GMT -5
Yeah because Weber State would really give UF and OU a tough time. I'm not saying they would but if you want to use weak opponents lets look at something the top 3 teams have in common the FCS teams they played this season. Utah could barely hold on to beat the worst team in the 130 something year history of Michigan football. |
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