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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Jan 4, 2009 0:46:53 GMT -5
I'm not saying they would but if you want to use weak opponents lets look at something the top 3 teams have in common the FCS teams they played this season. Utah could barely hold on to beat the worst team in the 130 something year history of Michigan football. a wins a win no matter how you get it, It counts towards the W column. Just winning all your games in a season should be respected no matter who they play. Anyone can beat anyone on any day you still have to win. besides I believe OSU had to score with a 1 minute left against a Wisconsin team that was its worst record in 5 years. |
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Post by JackTheRipper on Jan 4, 2009 2:39:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying they would but if you want to use weak opponents lets look at something the top 3 teams have in common the FCS teams they played this season. Utah could barely hold on to beat the worst team in the 130 something year history of Michigan football. That's because Threet came in and lit the world on fire. Without that elbow problem, he'd have been a superstar. Superstar, I say! |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 4, 2009 11:55:20 GMT -5
besides I believe OSU had to score with a 1 minute left against a Wisconsin team that was its worst record in 5 years. And then they curb stomped a rank Michigan State team 45-7 a few weeks later. But don't make this about OSU. Excuse me if I refuse to join the rest of America riding Utah's dick and annoit them national champions. We'll never know how they would do against Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida but I'll take my chances calling Utah out... |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 4, 2009 12:43:22 GMT -5
why is that? Florida's conference schedule was no stronger than Utah this year. Because Florida doesn't play powerhouses Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming, etc. in their conference schedule. Are you that stupid? No WAC, MWC, Sun Belt, or CUSA team will get my respect for a national championship unless they schedule the big boys and win twice in their OOC schedule. I really don't see how you can't tell whether a team's going to be good 5 years down the road david. Why don't you take a look at the top teams in the nation? Find the ones that are stable. If Utah would have scheduled Oregon State and a team similar and beat them both, then fine. A Michigan team could have been a good win, but a 3-9 Michigan team that could not fight their way out of a paper bag, is not a quality win (no offense Chis or JTR). Schedule a solid Big 12 team, like Ok St or Texas Tech, a Pac 10 team like Boise State did. Hell, schedule a team from the ACC. But Weber State isn't going to cut it for a team like Utah that wants to play for a NC. I agree with Sportsbuck. Excuse me for not hopping on Utah's dick. |
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Post by Loki on Jan 4, 2009 12:52:39 GMT -5
They can't schedule big teams in their OOC and quite frankly, a lot of the BCS schools wouldn't be up for scheduling them.
A playoff..simple as that, proves almost everything.
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 12:56:18 GMT -5
why is that? Florida's conference schedule was no stronger than Utah this year. Because Florida doesn't play powerhouses Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming, etc. in their conference schedule. Are you that stupid? No WAC, MWC, Sun Belt, or CUSA team will get my respect for a national championship unless they schedule the big boys and win twice in their OOC schedule. I really don't see how you can't tell whether a team's going to be good 5 years down the road david. Why don't you take a look at the top teams in the nation? Find the ones that are stable. If Utah would have scheduled Oregon State and a team similar and beat them both, then fine. A Michigan team could have been a good win, but a 3-9 Michigan team that could not fight their way out of a paper bag, is not a quality win (no offense Chis or JTR). Schedule a solid Big 12 team, like Ok St or Texas Tech, a Pac 10 team like Boise State did. Hell, schedule a team from the ACC. But Weber State isn't going to cut it for a team like Utah that wants to play for a NC. I agree with Sportsbuck. Excuse me for not hopping on Utah's dick. who in the SEC is good that Florida played? Georgia is probably the third best team and they lost to an average GT team at home and got blown out by Bama at home. Florida also lost to Ole Miss at home. Going undefeated against against an average conference schedule is better than losing a game (at home) against an average conference schedule. The bottom of the SEC is probably better than the bottom of the MWC (even though Wyoming won at Tennessee) but Utah and Florida would beat all those teams anyway. Stop looking at team names and actually watch some football. Also huge lol at thinking that 5 years ago you could have predicted Michigan to collapse and calling them an unstable program. Their last losing season was 1967, but of course utah should have known that they were due for their first bad season in 40 years when they played instead of the team that was winning 9 or 10 games every year. |
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 4, 2009 13:20:17 GMT -5
who in the SEC is good that Florida played? Georgia is probably the third best team and they lost to an average GT team at home and got blown out by Bama at home. Florida also lost to Ole Miss at home. Going undefeated against against an average conference schedule is better than losing a game (at home) against an average conference schedule. The bottom of the SEC is probably better than the bottom of the MWC (even though Wyoming won at Tennessee) but Utah and Florida would beat all those teams anyway. Stop looking at team names and actually watch some football. Also huge lol at thinking that 5 years ago you could have predicted Michigan to collapse and calling them an unstable program. Their last losing season was 1967, but of course utah should have known that they were due for their first bad season in 40 years when they played instead of the team that was winning 9 or 10 games every year. You're talking stupid if you think Utah would actually have a winning record in the SEC. Because I feel this way means that I don't watch a lot of football? Stupid and irrelevant. Yeah UGA lost to GT. Then in the bowl game GT got absolutely RAPED against LSU, one of those "sucky" SEC teams. The SEC was inconsistent as hell this year, but most if not all SEC teams would kill the MWC. And Michigan is the one exception. Not a lot of teams go through that kind of epic collapse. The teams that were solid 5 years ago are pretty much the same as today. USC, OU, Texas, OSU, SEC teams. |
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Post by Just Blaze on Jan 4, 2009 13:21:53 GMT -5
silly big 10 fans
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 4, 2009 13:44:59 GMT -5
Let me clarify my position here.
Do I respect what Utah's done? Absolutely.
Do I think they are the nation's best team? No.
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 4, 2009 13:49:13 GMT -5
Let me clarify my position here. Do I respect what Utah's done? Absolutely. Do I think they are the nation's best team? No. Exactly. I have never said Utah isn't a good team, because I think they are. Anyone who goes 13-0 can be called good, but I refuse to consider them for a national championship after playing in the Mountain West. They had a great season. But this "UTAH 4 CHAMPIONS!", "#1", "PLAYOFF FTW!" bullshit has to stop. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 14:01:45 GMT -5
Let me clarify my position here. Do I respect what Utah's done? Absolutely. Do I think they are the nation's best team? No. I dont think they are the best team either, but the championship is never about who the best team is. Its about the most deserving team. Everyone knows that last year the Patriots were a better team that the Giants and that they would win 80-85 percent of the time they play. Doesnt make them champions. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 14:03:40 GMT -5
who in the SEC is good that Florida played? Georgia is probably the third best team and they lost to an average GT team at home and got blown out by Bama at home. Florida also lost to Ole Miss at home. Going undefeated against against an average conference schedule is better than losing a game (at home) against an average conference schedule. The bottom of the SEC is probably better than the bottom of the MWC (even though Wyoming won at Tennessee) but Utah and Florida would beat all those teams anyway. Stop looking at team names and actually watch some football. Also huge lol at thinking that 5 years ago you could have predicted Michigan to collapse and calling them an unstable program. Their last losing season was 1967, but of course utah should have known that they were due for their first bad season in 40 years when they played instead of the team that was winning 9 or 10 games every year. You're talking stupid if you think Utah would actually have a winning record in the SEC. Because I feel this way means that I don't watch a lot of football? Stupid and irrelevant. Yeah UGA lost to GT. Then in the bowl game GT got absolutely RAPED against LSU, one of those "sucky" SEC teams. The SEC was inconsistent as hell this year, but most if not all SEC teams would kill the MWC. And Michigan is the one exception. Not a lot of teams go through that kind of epic collapse. The teams that were solid 5 years ago are pretty much the same as today. USC, OU, Texas, OSU, SEC teams. They beat Alabama who went undefeated in the SEC. Thats a pretty good indication that they would have a winning record. Youre being stupid just looking at team names and conference names instead evaluating based on actual football games. At least youve finally conceded that they tried to schedule as tough as they can with michigan and got very unlucky the wolverinces dropped off. |
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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Jan 4, 2009 14:03:41 GMT -5
spartan i'm pretty sure you will never understand how hard it is for top mid-major teams to schedule BCS big name teams.
Utah just call up the NCAA and say yes I want to play Florida, Texas, Texas tech and Ohio State please. Because those teams won't accept them. Those teams don't want the chance of being beaten either away or at their home field.
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 14:16:42 GMT -5
Utah would never get a home game against any of those teams which means they have to sacrifice revenue just to play them, and the other teams would never play because they would get no credit for winning but hell would break loose for losing because of the type of idiots in this thread that only see utah as a mountain west team so they must suck. those "major" teams are better off playing and beating up an average bcs conference team or no one at all because they get by based on name and reputation instead of their ability to play football.
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Post by I am a huge CUNT on Jan 4, 2009 14:37:02 GMT -5
which means they have to sacrifice revenue just to play them, and the other teams would never play because they would get no credit for winning but hell would break loose for losing because of the type of idiots in this thread that only see utah as a mountain west team so they must suck. Sacrafice the revenue, or keep being left out of the BCS championship. It's that simple. You have an opportunity for one thing, but you chose the other because of money. Therefore, I doubt the BCS will feel sorry for you. That's going to get you stuck in a non-championship bowl. The money made from a national title would be far greater than the money they would earn for that sissy home game. They also get paid for those trips, so don't bring money into it. So go play the big boys. Since you and the rest of the nation obviously think they are worthy of a national title and can beat anybody. Because they play in tough conferences! They have a tough enough schedule as it is so why fill it with more tough teams and get beat up throughout the year? Utah is the most deserving team because they have one signature win? Meanwhile Florida and Oklahoma's wins are shit because they didn't go undefeated? And Joker, I'm not asking them to play Oklahoma every game. Find one team that has a big reputation, play them, and fill your other conference games with BCS schools. If they beat 1 school like say, Missouri and won, and then scheduled 2 schools similar or a little bit better than Oregon State and won, there wouldn't be an issue. But OSU was their best win. That is not going to get you into the NC. It's going to get you into a bowl game against the 2nd best team from the SEC, who really doesn't want to play you. Obviously teams aren't that concerned about losing. Look at OSU scheduling USC. Missouri scheduling Illinois. I think a lot of teams would consider Illinois to be a tougher opponent than Utah years in advance. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 15:13:54 GMT -5
Utah is the most deserving team because they have one signature win? Meanwhile Florida and Oklahoma's wins are shit because they didn't go undefeated? Again, just because you think beating and losing to average SEC teams is better than beating good MWC teams because of the name of the conference doesnt mean it is. And I would put oklahoma ahead of utah if they beat florida as long as its a clear win and not some ridiculously terrible call that decides the game. They have numerous good wins. Florida and Utah have comparable wins. The Illinois that had 8 total wins in four season between 2003-2006? (the time this game would have been scheduled)? Knowing what you are talking about makes an argument more convincing. |
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Post by dkgojackets on Jan 4, 2009 15:19:29 GMT -5
Sacrafice the revenue, or keep being left out of the BCS championship. It's that simple. You have an opportunity for one thing, but you chose the other because of money. Therefore, I doubt the BCS will feel sorry for you. That's going to get you stuck in a non-championship bowl. The money made from a national title would be far greater than the money they would earn for that sissy home game. They also get paid for those trips, so don't bring money into it. So go play the big boys. Since you and the rest of the nation obviously think they are worthy of a national title and can beat anybody. You have shown time and time again that you have no idea how scheduling works. Just stop. Anyone that they beat clowns like you would just say suck anyway because they lost to utah. |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 4, 2009 15:28:04 GMT -5
The Illinois that had 8 total wins in four season between 2003-2006? (the time this game would have been scheduled)? idk when the game was actually scheduled but for the record Illinois won the Big Ten and went to the Sugar Bowl in 01. |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jan 4, 2009 15:34:52 GMT -5
Let me clarify my position here. Do I respect what Utah's done? Absolutely. Do I think they are the nation's best team? No. I dont think they are the best team either, but the championship is never about who the best team is. Its about the most deserving team. Everyone knows that last year the Patriots were a better team that the Giants and that they would win 80-85 percent of the time they play. Doesnt make them champions. I agree but since we don't have a playoff we will truly never know who the most deserving team is... I mean I can respect Utah for going undefeated but that SOS (#66 in the country) doesn't show me that they are more deserving than Oklahoma (#22) or Florida (#3). |
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Post by PrimadonnaPictures on Jan 4, 2009 16:18:27 GMT -5
I dont think they are the best team either, but the championship is never about who the best team is. Its about the most deserving team. Everyone knows that last year the Patriots were a better team that the Giants and that they would win 80-85 percent of the time they play. Doesnt make them champions. I agree but since we don't have a playoff we will truly never know who the most deserving team is... I mean I can respect Utah for going undefeated but that SOS (#66 in the country) doesn't show me that they are more deserving than Oklahoma (#22) or Florida (#3). SOS is decided before the season, I hate how SOS gets thrown around. I mean a mid-major team could go in the 2008 season and have Michigan, Tennessee, Clemson, and Auburn scheduled and have a VERY STRONG SOS on paper but then after the season after all those teams have horrible seasons then all of a sudden they played weak year BCS teams. But then Utah plays a ranked Oregon State, TCU, and BYU and because the beginning of the season SOS for those teams aren't very good Utah gets trashed for playing "weak" teams. and David i think this may be the first thread that you and I are on the same side of the argument. |
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