The Presidency Discussion

[Freak93]

In the grand scheme of things, where do you think President Bush ranks amongst all of the other Presidents? Also, what are the thoughts on President Obama? What do you think the future holds for our nation being led by him?

[Just Blaze]

I appluad Bush for keeping America safe after 9/11 in terms of preventing another terrorist attack.

But America went into the shithole under his term. I love Obama but I dont expect him to pull us out of the hole we're in unless he gets elected to another term. I hope people realize he wont fix things overnight and that we all have to be patient. But today was so damn historical...I was watching Fox news all day. I really wish I was in D.C. to experience it in person. Today was simply amazing...aside from Ted Kennedy's stroke.

[Freak93]

Jan 20, 2009 20:09:03 GMT -5 Just Blaze said:

I appluad Bush for keeping America safe after 9/11 in terms of preventing another terrorist attack.

I hope people realize he wont fix things overnight and that we all have to be patient.

Thank you. Too many people do not have the stones to say that about Bush today. When someone said Obama would have handled 9/11 better than Bush I was shocked.

The Obama thing is spot on. So many people think he is going to change everything. Not to say he will not, but like you mentioned it will take time. Not to mention some of the things he needs to fix are extremely big problems.

[Keeper]

Bush will rank as one of the worst presidents in the country's history, no questions. His first term was bad, but his second terms has really dragged his administration to one of the all-time lows.

[The Situation]

Jan 20, 2009 20:46:22 GMT -5 Keeper said:

Bush will rank as one of the worst presidents in the country's history, no questions. His first term was bad, but his second terms has really dragged his administration to one of the all-time lows.

Disagree. He made one huge mistake and it was Iraq. That's enough to put him low, but not all time low. The economy is not his fault. This has been in the works since Bill Clinton was in office. He's been average, but had a lot of shit come his way. You can't be average when that happens. So my point, he's not all time bad, but kinda bad.

[Freak93]

I think it is hard to blame a single person, like the president, for the disaster of the economy. Iraq and Katrina response were the two big problems of his term that he could have handled better.

[detroitbasketball]

My contribution to this thread:

[Buzz Killington]

NERDY WONKISH CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

You could argue that the PATRIOT act was another bad thing Bush did.

[Jewel27]

Jan 21, 2009 14:39:08 GMT -5 The Situation said:

Jan 20, 2009 20:46:22 GMT -5 Keeper said:

Bush will rank as one of the worst presidents in the country's history, no questions. His first term was bad, but his second terms has really dragged his administration to one of the all-time lows.

Disagree. He made one huge mistake and it was Iraq. That's enough to put him low, but not all time low. The economy is not his fault. This has been in the works since Bill Clinton was in office. He's been average, but had a lot of shit come his way. You can't be average when that happens. So my point, he's not all time bad, but kinda bad.

Agree with you bama, he made many decisions in his presidency that anyone in his shoes would have done, he was an average president, not terrible

[Chief Bstn]

There's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama

[The Situation]

Jan 21, 2009 18:21:11 GMT -5 Buzz Killington said:

NERDY WONKISH CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

You could argue that the PATRIOT act was another bad thing Bush did.

Ok...two huge mistakes.

[I am a huge CUNT]

Bush can't totally be blamed for Iraq. He was allowed to do it wasn't he? IIRC, you need approval before going to war with somebody.

Not to mention Iraq and Katrina were two HUGE things to deal with, add in 9/11 and Katrina, I say he did alright. Best of all time? No. But he's not terrible.

I thought his farwell speech was classy and I give him props.

[Loki]

Jan 22, 2009 18:32:35 GMT -5 I am a huge CUNT said:

Bush can't totally be blamed for Iraq. He was allowed to do it wasn't he? IIRC, you need approval before going to war with somebody.

Not to mention Iraq and Katrina were two HUGE things to deal with, add in 9/11 and Katrina, I say he did alright. Best of all time? No. But he's not terrible.

I thought his farwell speech was classy and I give him props.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, he forced us there and didn't get permission at the beginning to do so.

Bush is one of the worst ever. 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, AND this economy are for him to be blamed for. He's the President, there's no excuse for everything that went on during his term and it's nothing that happened before him for the most part so I don't see how you can't blame him when others clearly handled situations better than he (and his cabinet) did.

[I am a huge CUNT]

Jan 22, 2009 18:55:02 GMT -5 Loki said:

Jan 22, 2009 18:32:35 GMT -5 I am a huge CUNT said:

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, he forced us there and didn't get permission at the beginning to do so.

Key: at the beginning. He did to continue.

Bush is one of the worst ever. 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, AND this economy are for him to be blamed for. He's the President, there's no excuse for everything that went on during his term and it's nothing that happened before him for the most part so I don't see how you can't blame him when others clearly handled situations better than he (and his cabinet) did.

9/11? Are you fuckin serious? Yup Bush called his pal Bin Laden to set up that whole shindig. Oh wait, you're one of those who thinks it was a conspiracy aren't you?

Katrina can't all be put on Bush either. There was an organization responsible for Katrina and they did not respond. Could Bush have pushed them a little more? Probably.

And like Bama said, the economy goes way back. It's not just his presidency.

[Buzz Killington]

Jan 22, 2009 19:01:06 GMT -5 I am a huge CUNT said:

Jan 22, 2009 18:55:02 GMT -5 Loki said:

Key: at the beginning. He did to continue.

Bush is one of the worst ever. 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, AND this economy are for him to be blamed for. He's the President, there's no excuse for everything that went on during his term and it's nothing that happened before him for the most part so I don't see how you can't blame him when others clearly handled situations better than he (and his cabinet) did.

9/11? Are you fuckin serious? Yup Bush called his pal Bin Laden to set up that whole shindig. Oh wait, you're one of those who thinks it was a conspiracy aren't you?

Katrina can't all be put on Bush either. There was an organization responsible for Katrina and they did not respond. Could Bush have pushed them a little more? Probably.

And like Bama said, the economy goes way back. It's not just his presidency.

Bush duped America going into Iraq by claiming WMD's, and then kept us there (he luckily had Congress to help him) even after we knew they weren't there under the guise of "rebuilding" Iraq.

9/11. Bush took all the evidence that a terrorist attack was coming, and ignored all of it. Was Clinton's general neglect a part? Yes. Did Bush do a damn good job after the attacks? Yes. Could Should Bush have done something in order to prevent 9/11? Yes.

And is bringing up the idea of a conspiracy theory really necessary? Couldn't you disprove the argument without (I'm being blunt here for a reason) questioning Loki's sanity?

Bush was on vacation during Katrina. Leadership comes from the top. He should be to blame for a complete disaster. Except if we follow your logic, which would suggest that a president is nothing but a figurehead, appointing bureaucrats to do everything for him.

Overall, Spartan, you're off-base. You cannot make the argument that Bush handled Katrina or Iraq well. 9/11 I'll give you. The economy too (though his constant deregulation did not help). But you can't say that the last eight years were not bad.

[detroitbasketball]

Jan 22, 2009 20:00:42 GMT -5 Buzz Killington said:

And is bringing up the idea of a conspiracy theory really necessary? Couldn't you disprove the argument without (I'm being blunt here for a reason) questioning Loki's sanity?

Spartan using actual EVIDENCE to disprove an argument? Not possible.

[Claytons Crew]

I'm not into all this like you guys are but you can't blame Bush for everything.

9/11: What could he have done? Do you really think he would have know they would target the twin towers?

Katrina: Natural disasters DO happen. Hence the natural part. What did you want Bush to do?

Economy: That started with Reagan. What did you want Bush to do?

Since everyone is fast to point fingers and blame. I'd like to hear what you guys would have liked to see him do. Honestly before Bush got in 8 years ago, I'm living life the same way. I got a cousin overseas but there is nothing I can do about that. He knew what he was getting into when he signed up. For people to say he was horrible is kinda low.

[detroitbasketball]

Jan 22, 2009 21:01:02 GMT -5 Claytons Crew said:

Katrina: Natural disasters DO happen. Hence the natural part. What did you want Bush to do?

It has nothing to do with stopping the goddamned hurricane, the point is the government response was atrocious.

[The Situation]

Jan 22, 2009 18:32:35 GMT -5 I am a huge CUNT said:

Bush can't totally be blamed for Iraq. He was allowed to do it wasn't he? IIRC, you need approval before going to war with somebody.

The senate who was lied to? Na, Iraq is at Bush's feet sorry.

Not to mention Iraq and Katrina were two HUGE things to deal with, add in 9/11 and Katrina, I say he did alright.

Uh, Katrina was a cluster fuck. The entire government failed and Bush deserves some blame for the Feds massive fail.

[Loki]

Because I said anything about conspiracy theories? Usma hit the nail on the head, he had numerous warnings for months leading up to the attacks and did nothing but ignore them. It doesn't matter what Clinton did, not one bit.

Clayton you're clearly out of the loop on these things, haha. Bush DID know that they wanted to attack the Twin Towers, even Bill Clinton did. He had plenty of time to do something and he failed to do so, leaving thousands upon thousands' lives in danger.

As for Katrina, yes natural disasters DO happen. The fact that Bush sat on his ass and waited till he knew he was safe, similar to 9/11 when he felt reading to a kindergarten class was more important, is where he messed up. It wasn't an accident that Kanye said Bush hates black people. He sat around and waited, didn't send anyone down there to help. They knew the hurricane was coming and they knew it was going to be bad and after it happened, George Bush was somewhere hiding in a tree or something.

And I get what everyone is saying about the economy, but is it somehow sheer coincidence that it all fell apart with him at the helm? Come on now. We were struggling but he put us into a multi-trillion dollar hole that's gonna be a bitch to get out of for a very long time.