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Post by McGahee on May 29, 2007 15:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by detroitbasketball on May 29, 2007 15:09:20 GMT -5
Stick em in Winnipeg. Nashville wouldn't miss them much.
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Post by Freak93 on May 29, 2007 15:16:45 GMT -5
I hate when KC and other places attempt to get teams. I am not trying to say I hate those places it is just that it would be tough. The NHL is in a tough spot still and I don't know if the league could handle a team sucking it up in a city that can't support them.
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Post by JackTheRipper on May 29, 2007 15:58:21 GMT -5
One word: Retraction.
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Post by cooljayhu on Jun 1, 2007 17:44:33 GMT -5
god, if only. I really want about 7 or so teams to be out. If I had my choice those teams would be: two Cali teams, tampa, florida, atlanta, nashville, carolina, columbus. |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jun 1, 2007 18:35:33 GMT -5
So you would take out a team one year removed from a championship (Carolina)?
That's great logic right there.
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Post by Freak93 on Jun 1, 2007 18:40:59 GMT -5
How many people talk passionately about the Hurricanes in North Carolina? There are northern cities that deserve a team more. If these cities aren't eligible, than how is Raleigh? The logic behind it is these teams hurt the overall league product when they are not successful. When there is winning, there is fans. When these teams lose, people won't show up. The Flyers had a terrible season this year, but yet the fans were showing up at the games. If a city can't meet support in the good and the bad, than why do they deserve a team?
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Post by McGahee on Jun 1, 2007 19:42:50 GMT -5
So you would take out a team one year removed from a championship (Carolina)? That's great logic right there. Yeah I know right... getting rid of one of the weakest markets in the league is a terrible idea. We should strip cities of bad teams like Toronto out... Imagine if Carolina played in a city like Winnipeg, where people actually care about hockey. Good team + Good market= Win for NHL... it's the worst case scenario for the NHL to have a team in a city which makes the league no money at all. |
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Post by bearcat on Jun 1, 2007 20:06:15 GMT -5
KC's new Sprint Center arena is a HUGE draw for relocating franchises. We're trying to get an NBA team or NHL team to occupy it, although I'd rather have an NHL team. The Sonics in the NBA are looking at KC and OKC for relocation if they can't get an arena built.
That said, any NHL team looking to relocate should fill Canada first.
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Post by JackTheRipper on Jun 2, 2007 1:33:09 GMT -5
The NHL should retract four teams: atlanta, nashville, florida, and either tampa or carolina. Frankly, the whole southeast division is an abortion. No one cares about their teams in those markets. Just blow the teams up, spread out the talent and focus on the areas that care about their teams before jumping into another area.
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Post by Freak93 on Jun 2, 2007 7:04:33 GMT -5
The NHL has to look at one thing, where hockey is played. Does the youth in states like Florida and Georgia go out an play hockey? No. If you can't have small interest through minor league teams than how can a professional team be successful in that region?
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jun 2, 2007 9:20:45 GMT -5
Eh I sort of made that statement out of frustration because I really don't want to lose the Hurricanes. I go to a few games per season, although granted I couldn't name but a few players on the roster, and I really don't want to see them moved.
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Post by JacktheRipper on Jun 2, 2007 9:30:27 GMT -5
Nashville, Florida, and Atlanta will never have support. Period. Atlanta is a horrible sports town as it is, much less for supporting a non traditional sport.
I think Carolina could support a franchise, but their problem is it that the Canes are not an institution like the Flyers, Sabres, Maple Leafs. I also think Florida needs a team, just considering the huge population down there. There has to be 40,000 hockey fans down there. So, I think you move Tampa to Orlando.
I don't know.....let's move Nashville to Wennipeg (If I spelled that wrong....blow me), Atlanta we can just get rid of or move to KC (the mid west really does not have a natural team, the Blues and Hawks don't count), and finally maybe ship the Panthers up to Quebec City. Two new Canadian teams and a team to the mid west. Doing that, we also have a couple of southern teams and expand the fan base to those two teams. Over here in Louisiana, the hockey fans (okay....not a ton) root for the closest team, which are the Stars. The same thing would happen. Get a TV deal with Fox Sports South and put the Canes on all over....you'll see more Canes fans.
That's my theory.
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Post by dkgojackets on Jun 2, 2007 9:58:01 GMT -5
You're comparing support for teams who have been around 15 or fewer years to franchises like the Flyers who have been playing for 40? Now that's what's stupid in this thread.
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Post by Freak93 on Jun 2, 2007 10:27:43 GMT -5
Its more of comparing the cities in terms of hockey fans.
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Post by McGahee on Jun 2, 2007 12:34:47 GMT -5
You're comparing support for teams who have been around 15 or fewer years to franchises like the Flyers who have been playing for 40? Now that's what's stupid in this thread. Well let's try using logic for a second. If a team wins the Stanley Cup and they're still one of the five worst markets in the league, get them the hell out of that city, since it's obvious there's not much that can happen to make people all of the sudden care about hockey. How long should we give Carolina time to make a fan-base? Will they start caring if they win 4 or 5 titles in a decade? I doubt they would even then. I'm sure there are a good amount of hockey fans in Carolina, just not nearly enough to support an NHL team, especially at this point. |
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Post by sep on Jun 2, 2007 12:38:31 GMT -5
Atlanta is a horrible sports town as it is, much less for supporting a non traditional sport. Yeah, ok. |
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Post by Sportsbuck on Jun 2, 2007 13:26:56 GMT -5
McGahee, by your logic, the NHL should just give up on America, and move all of their teams to Canada.
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Post by McGahee on Jun 2, 2007 14:10:48 GMT -5
Every team in the Northeast, Atlantic, and Northwest (9 of the 15 which are US) are upper-echelon markets. The Southeast is by far the worst with not one decent market, the Pacific I'd say is about average (the Ducks have built a base with their success, Dallas has profited from their success over the past ten years, and LA is big enough so that they still can put some fans in seats, even if they aren't the truest of fans), and the Central is strong minus Columbus and Nashville.
My ultimate plan would be to move any TWO of these teams: Tampa Bay, Nashville, Carolina, Atlanta, Florida, and Columbus to any of these TWO cities: Orlando, Winnipeg, Quebec City, and Kansas City. Then retract two of the other four teams. This way, the league loses four bad markets, and gains two new ones. We'll be left with 14 teams in each conference, and then can return to a two division per conference arrangement.
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Atlantic: New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, NYR, NYI, Quebec/Orlando, Remaining Team
Central: Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo, Ottawa, Washington, Boston, Remaining Team
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Midwest: Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Minnesota, Vancouver, Chicago, Winnipeg/Kansas City
Pacific: Anaheim, San Jose, Dallas, LA, Phoenix, Edmonton, Colorado
The teams in the Atlantic already have a strong fan-base and plenty of media attention, the new Central easily benefits from the Canadian markets as well as Buffalo's. The Midwest still has a couple of liabilities, but Vancouver and Detroit are big and Winnipeg/Kansas City will help as well. The Pacific is a little average, but having a Canadian team in Edmonton should help.
With less teams, shorten the season to around 60. The trick thing will be the playoff set-up, as more than half the league would get in if there was 8. Four still seems like so little, as in some cases only one team in a division would get in. If you stick with 8, you'd probably have to go with a 3-5-7-7 or 5-5-7-7 or something like that because there's no point dragging it out with more than half the league in.
This seems like the most logical and most likely (compared to just kicking four teams out or whatever).
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Post by JackTheRipper on Jun 2, 2007 14:19:59 GMT -5
Atlanta is a horrible sports town as it is, much less for supporting a non traditional sport. Yeah, ok. Yeah, that's why the Braves couldn't even fill their own stadium for playoff games and they've been a competitive/elite team for almost two decades. McGahee, by your logic, the NHL should just give up on America, and move all of their teams to Canada. No, he's just saying how certain areas can't support certain sports. American markets like Buffalo, Philly, Minnesota, Detroit, Colorado, Dallas, NY, etc. all are great markets full of rabid fans. But you can't deny that Nashville, Atlanta and the rest that were mentioned are awful markets. The Preds couldn't fill an arena no matter how well they were doing. They either need to be relocated or just retracted. |
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