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[cooljayhu]

loki1230 said:

He should be...but don't even get me started on how overrated McNabb is.

McNabb=not just overrated
McNabb= super overrated

But it is funny cause I still really like him and drafted him in the DCFL

[Loki]

cooljayhu said:

your entire post matters not as what makes a great QB is not stats it is winning. Did Young, Aikman, and Montana always have great stats every game, no. But they won alot of games nonetheless and if the Pats lose Brady (God I hope not) they will become the 49ers of the new age. As in they lost their amazing QB and are now the worst team in the league.

It's not just stats. The defense is what wins the games for their team, not Brady. Brady's nothing compared to Steve Young, Troy Aikman, or Joe Montana either...Brady's good but he's nowhere near them.

[cooljayhu]

if the Pats lost Brady their entire season would go down the tube.

[Loki]

If they had a QB like Rohan Davey playing yea...

[cooljayhu]

it would not matter Brady is the heart and soul of that team (along with a couple others) and no matter who was the back-up they would lose

[Da Rafeter]

cooljayhu said:

if the Pats lost Brady their entire season would go down the tube.

How did Brady come about again? oh yeah, replacing a starting QB, how do you know Rohan Davey wouldn't do a Brady and leave Brady like Bledsoe-Bait? he had an excellent europe season last year

Brady is overrated, but its just because too many people think its because of him their winning Superbowls, if he soo great, how come he never really won a game single-handedly and destroy a defense more than once last year (not sure if he did it once)

[Freak93]

Explain to me how McNabb is overrated. Ok, he did suck in the Super Bowl. But just skip that stuff. Look at McNabb pre TO. What did he have? Todd Pinkston and James Thrash. Look at the game he broke his ankle, he threw 4 touchdown passes. He works hard every off season. That is why he is so good. He has made the pro bowl every year besides his rookie year.

[Da Rafeter]

Freak93 said:

Explain to me how McNabb is overrated. Ok, he did suck in the Super Bowl. But just skip that stuff. Look at McNabb pre TO. What did he have? Todd Pinkston and James Thrash. Look at the game he broke his ankle, he threw 4 touchdown passes. He works hard every off season. That is why he is so good. He has made the pro bowl every year besides his rookie year.

Nevermind Thrash actually brings your team down never mind doesn't perform, look what he did to Brunell ;D

And look at McNabb last season, throwing great passes down-field only for people like Pinkston to run away from them.

[Cerrano39]

Please do not disrespect Tom Brady with your idiotic posts. You claim he does nothing well. Huh? You must really not watch any Patriots' games, except for the Super Bowl, or not really understand football.

In full seasons, not including his first, in which he had 2843 yards in 14 starts, he has never thrown for less than 3620 yards. He has never completed for less than 60% of his passes. He has a 97-52 touchdown to interception ratio.

He only throws short? He averaged 7.8 yards per attempt, 10th best in the league, and better than some gunslingers like Brett Favre (not comparing).

Then there's the Patriots' record since he was instilled as the starter. 45-10.

Oh, its the players around him? It is not as if Steve Young, Joe Montana, etc. were surrounded by schmoes. They had the best receiver ever to throw to. Name the Patriots' receivers. They also had some pretty good defenses with players like Deion Sanders, the best cornerback ever, Charles Haley, Merton Hanks, Ken Norton, etc.

The defense? How many points a game do they score? Yes, they are good, very good. If it is all the defense, why hasn't Kyle Boller led Baltimore to the Super Bowl?

Is Brady as talented as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper. Quite simply, no. Not even close. But the game is not run or played by talent. If it was, Mike Vick would win every game single-handedly. Brady is an excellent manager of the game. He does not make costly mistakes. He knows when to take the sack, or throw the ball away.

I'm sick and tired of people saying he is not a good quarterback or he's a prissy. He has never missed an NFL start. Who cares if he is a "metrosexual?" Every Sunday he goes out there, and outclasses the defense.

Tom Brady is not an all-time great. Not yet. Will he be, I believe so.

[Cerrano39]

Da Rafeter:

Week 1: Indy: 26-38, 335 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT

And the reason he doesn't win games single-handedly, is because he doesn't need to throw 50 times a game.

But, he goes on many clutch, game-winning drives. See Super Bowl XXVI and XXVIII.

[Da Rafeter]

Cerrano39 said:

Is Brady as talented as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper. Quite simply, no. Not even close.

Thats what I'm trying to say, he's obvouisly great but many people say he is the best QB in the NFL, now everybody has there opinion but, he's not as talented as McNabb, Manning, Favre and Culpepper, and people says he wins games, he does in every way and comes through big-time for his team, but its a team-game and its not all Tom Brady doing, and when calling him the best because of winning a team game when you have maybe the most unselfish and hard-working team around you, I just don't get it.

[Da Rafeter]

To Cerrano39:

This is an honest question, but I want it straight from a Pats fan (I think you're one, hopefully ) but Do you think Tom Brady deserved SuperBowl 36 MVP honors (Rams superbowl if I got the number wrong)

Because I don't think he done anyhting but from that last drive and he got MVP?

[Cerrano39]

As I said though, talent doesn't run the quarterback position. He is a better quarterback than Culpepper, McNabb, and maybe Peyton (I stress maybe). He plays the position better. It is plain and simple.

And he does do a lot to win the games. Almost every game, he answers an opposing score with a scoring drive. Sure, Corey Dillon may put the ball in, but to say Brady has nothing to do with the dry is ludicrous.

Also, I think the media may be a bit different if you live outside of New England. The reason the media talks about him so much, is simply because most of the Patriots are unknown nationwide. They are the best team in the NFL, and he is the only face.

[cooljayhu]

Da said:

To Cerrano39:

This is an honest question, but I want it straight from a Pats fan (I think you're one, hopefully ) but Do you think Tom Brady deserved SuperBowl 36 MVP honors (Rams superbowl if I got the number wrong)

Because I don't think he done anyhting but from that last drive and he got MVP?

to your first post: we were saying that but what you were saying was that he should get no cred and it was all the D

to the post above: simply put, yes he should have.

[Freak93]

With all of the quarterback talk, I cannot stand Peyton Manning. He is good but I just have something I don't like about him. Maybe it is because if he did not win the MVP, maybe McNabb (31 TD's 8 INT's) and Culepper would have been co-mvp's. BTW McNabb's touchdown - interception ratio 118 - 57. One of the best.

[Da Rafeter]

cooljayhu said:

to your first post: we were saying that but what you were saying was that he should get no cred and it was all the D

to the post above: simply put, yes he should have.

No, in my first post I was saying that Brady doesn't have huse games like McNabb against the Cowboys on MNF or Manning against DET or GB.
I think hes overrated because of the amount of media on him, but Cerrano said it perfectly when he said there all unknown and Brady is the only face, and since they are the best you have something on them, and it always seems to be Brady, but he is the still one of the best in the league I'm not saying he should get any credit, no, nor was it all the defense, I said he gets TOO MUCH credit,

[Cerrano39]

Yes.

Two reasons:

1) Who else would have gotten it. No other offensive player distinguished themselves. Ty Law maybe. But the defensive effort was clearly a scheme, not something the individual players accomplished.

2) He was basically a rookie. Every one in their right mind thought the Patriots had done well, and would try for overtime, and probably lose. The Rams had just scored, and had all the momentum.

No timeouts, and they reached the 40 with 30 seconds left. He then made two huge completions to Troy Brown and Jermaine Wiggins to reach the 30 with like 5 seconds left.

Clutch doesn't even begin to describe it.

[Da Rafeter]

Freak93 said:

With all of the quarterback talk, I cannot stand Peyton Manning. He is good but I just have something I don't like about him. Maybe it is because if he did not win the MVP, maybe McNabb (31 TD's 8 INT's) and Culepper would have been co-mvp's. BTW McNabb's touchdown - interception ratio 118 - 57. One of the best.

Yeah same here, I stay up all night (I live in UK) to watch the Baltimore game to watch him hopefully break the TD in person, and he doesn't do it, never mind he had a chance and screwed it up trying to be all respectful (and I still do respect that) and when he breaks, all I remember of that record was when he held up two fingers singaling(sp) the 2-point conv, then he goes destroys my precious Broncs 2 years in a row.

Although, even on that offense, I still think he is the best in the NFL right now.

[claytonscrew80]

Let me settle this...

Brady and Peyton > Any QB in the NFL, AFL, CFL, NFL Europe.

[Buzz Killington]

And Aaron Garcia is...