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Post by claytonscrew80 on May 18, 2005 20:33:36 GMT -5
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Buzz Killington
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Post by Buzz Killington on May 18, 2005 20:38:56 GMT -5
you don't know Aaron? Arena football, New York Dragons.
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Post by claytonscrew80 on May 18, 2005 20:40:30 GMT -5
you don't know Aaron? Arena football, New York Dragons. No. I only follow the Predators and the Storm. |
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Post by Cerrano39 on May 18, 2005 21:03:36 GMT -5
I could throw 40 touchdowns in Arena League Football.
Ok, but still.
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Post by cooljayhu on May 18, 2005 21:12:15 GMT -5
hell Ricky Ray even played in the AFL that obviously tells you something....... doesn't it?  |
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Post by Leak2Troupe03 on May 18, 2005 22:59:20 GMT -5
I myself envy the Pats being a Ravens fan. I think our defenses are very simular talent wise, you could go both ways on who's better. Belichick gets players that will fight their heart and soul to be the best, and they do each year. Obviously, I hope they begin to lose their greatness and stop dominating the AFC and league so my team can get back to where they were. Brady, IMO is overrated. He is a good quarterback and even one of the best in the league, but he does not make the Patriots. What makes the Pats is the heart and soul of that Defense and Coach Belichick. Players like Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Eugene Wilson and those corners that stepped up this season such as Asante Samuel, hell even Troy Brown at corner. Brady did have the offense to surround him with Corey Dillon at halfback, and targets such as Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Givens, and Tight End Daniel Graham. If thats not enough to become a good quarterback, I dont know what is. I'm not saying they are Cris Carter, Randy Moss, or I should say Jerry Porter, Randy Moss for the present  but they are talented enough IMO. I'm not trying to downplay what Brady has done, but what if it were Michael Bishop who they cut after the 2000 season and played eight games that year. If it were Bishop would the Pats be what they are now, I believe they would. Hell, look at him in the AFL. First guy to rush for 100 yards in a game, thats got to account for something. Rohan Davey, same thing. I think even he would be able to do these things. Now, the only thing I do give Brady alot of credit for is his drives during the playoffs, and superbowls. That would be the only thing that impresses me about him. But could Bishop, Davey have done that with the targets listed above? Thats something we'll never know. |
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ajrancid
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Post by ajrancid on May 19, 2005 5:46:50 GMT -5
He is a better quarterback than Culpepper, McNabb, and maybe Peyton (I stress maybe). He plays the position better. It is plain and simple. I think it’s a joke you can even compare Brady to Manning or Culpepper. You said his career game was when he got three touchdowns against a very questionable Colts defense, and he still though a pick in that game. Manning average three touchdowns a game last year, so that put things in perspective. And if I had to take one quarterback in the NFL it would be Culpepper because he is as accurate as anyone, plus he has scrambling ability. The only thing Brady might be able to do better than Culpepper is work the two minute drill because normally Culpepper scores to early or messes up some way. And if you are going to talk about how Brady can play in January then put him against the Packers with that Vikings defense and offense and let’s see how good he is. Or even better, think of how he would do if he and Manning swapped places in those AFC Championship/Divisional games. I am sure Manning would come out the winner in that, it’s just Manning has to face a solid Patriots defense in the snow (and the favours the Pats) and also Brady has to face the Colts defense in the snow (also advantage Pats). And to say Brady is deserving of his two Superbowls MVP awards is a joke. He wasn’t even the best quarterback in Superbowl XXXVIII, and his performance in Superbowl XXXVI was never MVP like. How can a quarterback go the first half not completing a pass more than ten yards and be the MVP? Ty Law should have got that MVP for sure in my mind. And his game winning drive aren’t anything compared to even McNair near comeback against the Rams. Because McNair came one yard short and he was completing pass with two defensive linemen on him for 30 yards. Brady couldn’t complete a pass more then ten yards away from him for him in the first half against the Rams. And it’s the defense that won those Superbowl for the Pats, not only did Ty Law make that touchdown pick but they shutdown a explosive Rams offense. And am I the only one remembering the Panther going for Minus yard in the first quarter against them in Superbowl XXXVIII? And something that really gets on my nerve is when people call Brady the next Montana. I know you didn’t say this but many people have and it’s a joke. Montna won some of those Suerbowls for the 49ers, and it wasn’t always his defense that one it for him. |
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Post by claytonscrew80 on May 19, 2005 5:58:19 GMT -5
I think it’s a joke you can even compare Brady to Manning or Culpepper. How many rings does Brady have? How many rings do Manning and Culpepper have combind? |
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Post by BstnRdSx on May 19, 2005 6:01:38 GMT -5
How many rings does Dan Marino have?
How many rings does Tom Brady have?
You're saying Dan Marino is better then Tom Brady?
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ajrancid
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Post by ajrancid on May 19, 2005 6:16:49 GMT -5
How many rings does Brady have? How many rings do Manning and Culpepper have combind? How many rings would Manning and Culpepper have if they play wiht the same surundings as Brady? Brady is just lucky he is on a team with a defense and running game like that. Brady is a good quarterback but no-ware near as good as Manning or Culpepper. And who do you think is better Trent Dilfer or Payton Manning? EDIT: Chad Pennington posted a perfect quarterback rating against the Colts and still lost so winning doesn't tell you everything. |
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Post by Cerrano39 on May 19, 2005 12:13:20 GMT -5
First off, I never compared Brady to others. People brought those names up so I used them.
His drive was much more impressive than McNair's. THEY SCORED. No one will remember McNair's drive.
About the weather. Both teams play in it. It isn't exactly high 90s in Indy year round.
It is not pure luck Brady got placed in that situation. I'm not saying he's a great quarterback, but Drew Bledsoe was awful with that team in 2000 and 2001 (for the time he played). The team was headed for another 4-12ish season. To say Brady did not influence that at all is plain ignorant.
And that's not his career game. That's was only last year.
You act like Peyton Manning had no one around him when he threw 49 touchdowns. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Brandon Stokely are all arguably better than any Patriots receivers. Dallas Clark and Marcus Pollard also formed a great TE tandem. Oh yeah, Edgerrin James is pretty good.
Delhomme: 16-33, 323 Yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Brady: 32-48, 354 Yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Pretty damn close if you ask me. Pretty nice numbers for an MVP too.
Also, who cares how far he threw the ball, in 2001, that wasn't the Patriots' scheme. They didn't have the running game to open up down field passing. The fact remains, he won the games he played in.
Tom Brady would be very successful in other situations. He doesn't make stupid mistakes. The knock that he doesn't throw it deep is absolutely ludicrous. If you say that, you haven't watched him play.
I would also say Brady is a lot better than Culpepper at winning. I know the Vikings have a worse defense, but I've rarely seen him lead his team to a responding score. Also, when you have Randy Moss and Cris Carter, it is going to be pretty easy to rack up some gaudy numbers.
Most of the arguments against Brady are hypothetical, which simply don't stand up. This what if is just bullshit. He is on New England. He does have a good defense. He doesn't make stupid mistakes. He is one of the best quarterbacks today.
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Post by Cerrano39 on May 19, 2005 12:14:12 GMT -5
AJ: What running game in 2001 and 2003. If you even begin to contend A. Smith was even close to consistent, you didn't watch the Pats play.
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Post by ajrancid on May 19, 2005 14:46:01 GMT -5
AJ: What running game in 2001 and 2003. If you even begin to contend A. Smith was even close to consistent, you didn't watch the Pats play. Yeah, they didn't have a great running game back then but it was good enough for Brady to go by without having to make to many big plays. Like you would have to say your running game against the Rams and Panthers was a lot better than the running game McNabb had in the Superbowl last season. And that has a big effect on how a quarterback performs. |
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Post by Da Rafeter on May 19, 2005 15:34:37 GMT -5
His drive was much more impressive than McNair's. THEY SCORED. No one will remember McNair's drive. No offense, but everyone remembers McNair's drive, it was so classic the way it ended, sure it wasn't a happy ending but an exciting one, you picked a bad drive to remember, McNair's drive was maybe one of the most remerable drives in history "One Yard Short" |
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Post by Cerrano39 on May 19, 2005 15:39:49 GMT -5
Ya, but it only happened 5 years ago. I'm saying in a while.
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Post by Freak93 on May 19, 2005 18:08:02 GMT -5
How can you guys compare based on Super Bowl rings? You may end up getting stuck in a bad team but may be one of the best ever. TEXT
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Post by Cerrano39 on May 19, 2005 18:10:10 GMT -5
May I ask, what is this for? |
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Post by claytonscrew80 on May 19, 2005 18:15:40 GMT -5
How can you guys compare based on Super Bowl rings? You may end up getting stuck in a bad team but may be one of the best ever. TEXTI was not comparing them by rings. But what do you play for season in and season out? I think you play to win the super bowl. Also, how many times has Brady even led his team to the supre bowl? How many times has Manning and Cullpeper led thier teams to the super bowl? Is this just a little bit starting to tell you something? |
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Post by King James on May 19, 2005 18:21:16 GMT -5
oh everyone just SHUT THE HELL UP.
Listen. Every quarterback is good to some degree. They are all better than eachother to some degree.
Michael Vick can run and pass. Peyton Manning is probably the best TD passing QB ever. Tom Brady is an amazing QB. Daunte Culpepper is a QB who can run and pass despite his tremendous size. McNabb is a QB who can see the field well. They all have their own qualities which set them apart from one another.
Cerrano, you talk like your the authority on EVERYTHING. That's not a bad thing. You are a very intelligent individual. Everyone is except crazywaterboy. But that's besides the point. But listen, you cant say Brady is the best. His abilities are the best, but can he rush if Corey Dillon is preoccupied? No. He isnt mobile. He comes through in the clutch, but he also is a human being. He messes up and sometimes you hate that. But listen, you cant compare Brady to Marino, Young, Archie Manning, Peyton Manning, Kosar, etc. He just doesnt play at that level because he isnt the CENTERPIECE of the team.
And let the flames begin...............
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Post by claytonscrew80 on May 19, 2005 18:24:35 GMT -5
No. He isnt mobile. He comes through in the clutch, but he also is a human being You dont have to be mobile to be a good quarterback. |
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but they are talented enough IMO.
